This is going to sound rude, but if men always took no for an answer the first time they asked, the human race would have gone extinct a long time ago.
This is going to sound rude, but if men always took no for an answer the first time they asked, the human race would have gone extinct a long time ago.
And we condition kids into to this freeze response by by not stopping during tickle fights when they verbally say “No” or “Stop”, and then we make them hug or kiss relatives whom they don’t want to. We burn it into their minds from a very early age that they are NOT in control of their own bodies.
None of the things you describe in you final paragraph are discussed on this website except as things that should be derided.
Fair enough, but did you read the story? “I never felt endangered. I was just annoyed.” A major crux of her dilemma is that she didn’t feel afraid or overpowered. Just...worn down.
The author didn’t say anything about being scared stiff. She kept saying she hoped this guy would notice ambiguous hints that she wasn’t into it and stop. That’s just a shit way to handle it. The guy was in the wrong but she handled the situation in an awful way as well. She had all the control here she was willing to…
You’d be surprised how many men do not care if the subject is actively engaged. That’s why men are sticking it literally anywhere they can. Food, fabric, and even the dead. I had a friend who worked at a mortuary and sex with the dead was the number one cause of people getting fired.
But didn’t the author say that she wasn’t fearful, and rather, was still as a form of silent protest? I’m not taking a position either way on the ultimate question - just pointing out that she didn’t say she froze or was unable to move or speak... only that she elected not to.
Because, like the author says, sometimes people want to be “chased.” I’ve been in the other seat from the author: first woman I tried hooking up with in college acted just like her, and after she said no I left her alone. Then, I heard like a week later that she thought I was a loser who couldn’t read her signs…
BUT, it’s not going to work to teach men that only enthusiastic consent is the green-light unless we also teach women to give enthusiastic consent - hence the author’s quote below that shows why there are grey areas and misunderstandings:
This woman had sex with an inexperienced and immature dingaling. However, she wasn’t raped.
Yeah except the writer said she wasn’t afraid and she said no repeatedly and had a whole conversation prior to this so it doesn’t seem that she froze up. It seems like she just got tired of saying no and gave in. Which still makes Dave gross and pathetic but I wouldn’t say a rapist.
seems that what’s being discussed in this comment is an involuntary response, and it seems that what the author is describing is a voluntary strategy. For some reason those of us making this distinction still have unapproved comments, typical.
She also goes on to explain that this is game she herself played with men she wanted to have sex with (saying no, but only to facilitate the “cat and mouse” game she, and many other women to their own peril, have been taught is part of the courtship ritual). Coupled with the fact that men are trained to believe…
I’m almost caught up. I read hardly anything about this show when it debuted, and I missed most of the first season but managed to record the second season. I can’t watch anything starting in the middle, so I had to order discs from Netflix to catch up. My husband and I are both marathoning the episodes.
I absolutely LOVED season 1! The first episode is really slow and does a lot of character building, but it really picks up from there.
I’ve never even heard of this series until just this moment, but it sounds fucking brilliant and I’m going to watch as much of it as I can as soon as I can. So, thanks for alleviating some of my ignorance.
Nice write up. I’ve been a big fan of this show since I discovered it a few episodes in last season. Glad to see I’m (barely) not the only one.
YES! This is an excellent show with strong scripts, acting, and directing, and it deserves a lot more attention. I enjoyed Season 1 very much.
Hrrm. I lived in a Manhattan Project community (not Los Alamos) for several years, so I’m curious about this but missed it when it initially aired. Maybe I’ll try to catch up, even though looking at my collective Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu queue makes me want to sob because I’ll never get through it all. As an aside,…
This is a great show and an excellent discussion about social construction of technology. It pulls apart the “clean”, “analytical” image of the scientific method and shows how much the personal conflicts, preferences, beliefs of the researchers and the competition between labs drives the creation of scientific…