So I assume you are also a fan of compulsory organ harvesting after a person becomes brain dead, whether or not they had religious or other objections to donating while they were alive? There are plenty of situations where we continue to respect the wishes of the dead, even to the detriment of living people.

No. Women aren't incubators. If you think we are, you're not really pro choice. It's up to the woman if she has a living will. If not, it's up to the next of kin. It's not up to the government or clergy to decide that a brain dead person be used as an incubator and over rule the family.

Women are people, not incubators. I'm really glad you don't make the laws.

The woman let her family know that if a situation such as this one arose, she would not want to be kept on life support. Her partner and parents wanted to take her off life support. Her brain was rotting, her body had a number of infections and open wounds that could not heal. Her body was swelling up and she was…

Ah, ok, if impossible things were possible, you'd do it. This is a mere thought experiment then.

Nonetheless, their decision added that the rights of a living child would supersede those of a deceased mother and the wishes of her loved ones. They're only allowing the woman to be taken off life support because her fetus has no chance of survival.

If she were a couple of weeks from viability, maaaybe, but with a pregnancy of 14 weeks you'd still do that?

Honest question, not trying to argue with you: How do the strict anti-abortion laws relate to this the if people aren't very fundamentalist? We hear about mothers being left to die rather than an abortion being carried out so it seems pretty extreme to an outsider. Does the public not agree with the laws, and if they…

I wish I could say this was a little victory, but if the only reason they're doing it is because the child can't survive, then there's really no victory here.

This is George Michael and Maeby. They are 9 month old sisters, and the most adorable terrors.

My beloved tux, Poindexter. He's got all his teeth and he's not old. He's just your average chubby house meow. He was a pretty sickly kitten though, so I think he's had his share of sads

Here's my munchkin, her name is Niko.

I don't mean to take any thunder away from Zeb, but if you live in Western NY and are looking for an amazing lap cat who loves being held like a baby, I have a cat for you. Phantom is a homeless cat who showed up on my doorstep about 3 weeks ago. Long story short he only has a few teeth, he has a crumpled ear-the vet…

My Pepper girl. Part of me truly thought she was going to live forever. We lost her in November at 17 years, still gets me teared up typing it.

I'm really not sure how my cat Petey hasn't gotten some kind of movie role. But whatevs, the world is missing out.

This is Hamilton. He's nine years old and he picked me out at the shelter last year. I couldn't say no, so he came home with us. Best decision ever. He's basically a furry lump on the couch that purrs and wants my lap now and then.

Just gives me a reason to show off my own FIV+ babies!

Let's start a senior pet thread! Come onnnn.

Sorry for threadjacking, but... where's the open thread for all of those who have spent Christmas eve with their parents and are drunk as fuck to cope with the whole thing? I have to vent!

Three years without a test? What do they think those swabs are, FSU football players?