Dont understand the big deal about manuals. It is a good car for a good price and a fun drive.

It’s just fine in most applications, but with a high-revving, low torque motor like the 4A-GE here, it would kill a lot of the enjoyment.

I think the shithole u referred to is Florida.

5th or 6th largest economy in the world, didn’t give their electoral votes to an illiterate puppet. What a benighted, communistic shithole.

Aaaand now it’s political

Sure sure grandpa. Don’t go anywhere so we know where you are. For being communists though, we didn’t vote for Trumpski. I suppose you did though? Is it his brand of communist oligarchy you prefer?

“Most of us”... so that is why the 4Runner outsells the Wrangler... oh wait... it doesn’t... at all...

I bought my Unlimited Wrangler with the understanding that the ride on-road would be a little rougher than most other vehicles. But the fact that there are so many modification options out there, one could replace the entire suspension system/tires, etc. and turn it into something that suits their driving preferences.

I don’t know where this myth about the Wrangler being awful on road comes from. I own a 2016 Rubicon and it is completely stable, comfortable and easy to drive around town and at 80mph on the highway. I can carry on a conversation easily somehow even with chunky MT tires and minimal insulation. Sure, it isn’t a Lexus…

It’s FORD year here on Jalopnik!

I’ve had three Wranglers. All ‘second’ or ‘third’ cars. Taking the doors off in the summer is awesome. I had them off most of the time when I lived in San Diego. It turns a ‘car’ into a four-wheeled mountain bike. Not only is it fun for driving to the beach, it’s extremely helpful if you’re out wheeling on mountain…

It isn’t that bad on the pavement, especially with the upgraded suspension on the Rubicon. Death Wobble is only evident on vehicles not properly maintained, and *gasp* I can actually park this thing, and in smaller spots than a Honda Fit can fit. But that’s a compromise I’m certainly willing to make. I do not want…

Disagree.

I’m probably in a very, very small minority here, but I bought my Wrangler exactly for its uncouth nature. Understand that I drive very little (~5k miles per year, max), so fuel economy is of little importance to me. I woke up one day and decided that I wanted something that provided me with a necessarily-engaging…

Nope. I’ll gladly take the less than stellar on road handling of my wrangler in exchange for solid axles, lockers, a removable roof, an aftermarket that makes damn near everything that can be imagined for the JK, removable doors, etc. I’m 50k miles in, and I’ve not enjoyed a car as much as this one, ever. I get that…

I must disagree with you. People buy Jeeps for the outdoorsy/adventurous image. The 4-Runner has a bit of that image but not as much as the Jeep. The Jeep is seen as less compromising and more of a true offroader. If Ford goes the “practical, comfortable, inoffensive” route, it will not steal customers from Jeep.

I bought a Wrangler Unlimited simply because the top came off and it was practical ... 4 door with adequate storage and 4x4 for snow & mud. The decision was between a fun 4 door SUV that rode a bit rough or a comfortable one that was boring.

I’m not so sure it’s that simple.

Wrangler owners buy into the “tough image” that was, at least in part, created by the Jeep’s simple suspension that can stand up to abuse, and be modified very easily.

Rear windows don’t typically roll down because of exhaust. That space is typically dead air and right where the exhaust goes.

The new Bronco (Bronco III?) will not directly compete with the Wrangler because it won’t have a solid axle in front (presumably - Everest/Ranger don’t), or removable doors, and will be larger than a Wrangler. All of those things make it less capable on off road trails.