frogrevolution
Fr@gRevolution
frogrevolution

If your bar for danger is dissenting opinions then no place is safe so long as it's occupied by anyone who thinks.

Saying that the entire question of fairness in sport related to trans athletes is based on one athlete is just not accurate. It’s been brought up about several athletes.

*open division. Nearly all sports do not have a mens division, they have an open division anyone can compete in, and a womens division to give women a chance to be competitive. Trans women should compete in the open. 

It’s not transphobic to question the fairness of trans women competing against biological women. That’s called critical thinking or debate. It’s not inherently transphobic to have questions about something. Saying that is just a method to shut down meaningful debate.

So your proof that the studies author is a “TERF” is the fact that someone called them a TERF because they were researching the issue in question. That’s some great proof you have there.

If it’s not about winning medals, then couldn’t trans women just compete in the mens division and nullify any arguments?

I don’t remember where I read about a proposed solution to have weight/height classes in sports similar to boxing and wrestling, such that it wouldn’t matter what someone’s gender is - if they fit into class A or B or whatever, they’re competing with others with similar physical builds.

All you have to do is read, it’s been there the whole time:

Shhh. (we only believe the Science on vaxx issues, not issues of biological sex.)

But Michael Phelps has oddly long arms or something!

I mean, all you have to do is scroll down a little further to see a sourced post someone else put up in reference to a study that you think doesn’t exist. 

Sadly, the area of gay and trans rights is one where progressives have shown they are just as willing as conservatives to be anti-science. It’s striking how readily they will dismiss any number of scientific studies using the excuse that they must be biased. It’s sad that they use the idea that anyone who presents

Pretty much all current scientific research shows that trans females maintain a biological advantage for several years post op, even with reduced testosterone levels if they had gone through puberty as a male.

While this is an excellent way for transphobes to find a way to be exclusionary towards trans people - is the argument that people who go through a male puberty would have an unfair advantage in female sports so outlandish?

There have been and continue to be emerging scientific studies that show that even well past post-op, trans women retain 95% of their strength even 1 year after starting testosterone suppressive therapy.

Set aside conservative bad faith reaction and I think the reality is that for each sport it has to be different and that over time the facts on the ground may evolve.

Because a biologically female body would not perform well against biologically male bodies, in most sports. On the other hand, a biologically male body will perform very well against a biologically female body in any sport.  

It is a tough situation. I want everyone to be able to pursue their goals, but I agree with the ruling. Transgender women who go through male puberty before transitioning have a natural advantage that is proven by science. It isn’t fairly to biological women to have to compete with them. Maybe we need new categories

Why are there separate women’s divisions in sports in the first place?

Why don’t we ever hear about transgender men being excluded from sports?