i09 was subsumed into Gizmodo, which is how I happen to be in the black here despite knowing zip-all about a large chunk of Gizmodo’s topics.

It’s funny, I got on FB this a.m. and there were some major, major hints that I start knitting brain hats.

Yeah, that Inside, Out thing caught me unawares in the theatre AND my kid saw me tear it.

Harumph.

Such patterns do exist. Some are even free.

No, and I’ve addressed it elsewhere, but thanks.

Except I wasn’t talking about slavery when using the terms, I was talking about the current situation. So let’s look at some of the issues facing women—say how women get raped? Face widespread FGM and die from it?Where young women have acid thrown in their face when they refuse marriage? Where women are still turned…

I think you don’t fully take in what I was saying—and that means I didn’t make myself clear. I didn’t say what happened with the 14th wasn’t a valid choice or that ending slavery wasn’t the more important matter. But women’s suffrage took a damn long time after that to pass. And it wasn’t just the vote, women had…

And I think your priorities are a valid choice, I seriously do. But women’s rights matter—and getting something done about them means someone making women’s rights her first priority. And, yes, you’re right, white women don’t face that kind of dilemma.

I said this in response to another poster, but I’ll repeat it…

I did a local march and I knitted 2 dozen hats. I hate crowds and I don’t like protesting. But the Women’s March was different—it helped to know that other people, lots of other people, were saying NO to Trump and all that he stands for.

I’m not a scientist, but I’ll be there for science—constructing weird hats,…

I agree with you about the racist feminist issue—I’ve mentioned it elsewhere. I even agree with you that it was necessary to pass the 14th Amendment at whatever cost—that it was important to end slavery.

But the cost was real and a couple of cites supporting women’s suffrage does not a movement make. And, it’s…

Sorry, but white women were backing Hillary Clinton way before Trump came on the scene.

And I’ll say it back—WOC have put other causes before feminism for a long—with some justification, but feminism is white, in part, because WOC have focused more on other causes. Feminism is considered secondary. Not surprisingly,…

I told you how women were thrown under the bus by abolitionists. Suffrage for women was deliberately removed from the 14th because it was thought that the amendment wouldn’t pass with it. Then female suffrage was pretty much dropped as a cause by everyone but white feminists.

It took 60 years to get women the vote.

And…

Except that you’re preaching to people who voted against Donald Trump and assuming that feminism will affect how conservative women vote. If anything, the discussion of identity politics antagonized these people.

And the blunt historical truth is that feminism has always taken a back seat to other forms of civil…

Yes, and one of the many reasons I loath Trump is because of how he demonizes groups people. He’s a racist pig—why on earth would I want to emulate his “reasoning”?

Look, just because he does it in one direction, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to do it in the other.

Okay, as for convincing “my people”—my sense is that…

Moved left? You mean politically? Trump/Clinton was actually as big a gender split as there’s ever been. Personally, I’d have a hard time being married to someone with radically different politics.

Uh, no. I’m pointing out the obvious—there are a lot of white voters, a whole lot of white voters—six times as many white voters than black. In other words, your average Clinton voter was most likely to be a white woman. So, it’s pretty understandable that a lot of the people who marched were white women who had,…

I didn’t make the rules either. If you’re saying my pale skin means I’ll have an easier time getting through to a Trumpster—well, yes, or at least I’ll have a safer time. Where I have a bone to pick is with the idea that I’m responsible for the behavior of someone else because we share a skin color. White people…

Okay, but, I don’t even know many of those these days. It’s gotten ferociously active out there. But, then, I grew up politically active in a politically active area.

It does come down to bubbles, I suppose, you become friends with people who have things in common with you. In my case, my friends are diverse…

Sounds like you’re discussing both, no? And, no, you can’t hold someone accountable for someone else’s actions because of skin color. Do I even have to tell you *why* that’s a bad idea?

Of course there is. But there are a lot of white women Democrats. In fact, there are more white women Democrats than there are black women Democrats. There are around 27 million eligible black voters v. 156 million eligible white ones. And those white women Democrats broke for Clinton—more than they did for Obama as…