Thanks for the thoughtful response. To your point, yes, of all the monuments being discussed here, the Liberty monument is the one that troubles me the most, and in recognizing that there are gray areas to this discussion, it’s the one that I would have the least reservations about it coming down, for multiple reasons.

LOL....didn’t realize this was a popularity contest, but whatever makes you feel good.

Must be nice to be able to split hairs that finely to make things fit your world view.

shhhh, you’re going to ruin long-standing preconceived notions.

Thank you.......I think you’re one of the few that got my point and doesn’t want to automatically label me a confederate apologist. Times change, social mores and accepted norms change. Slavery isn’t even close to the only thing that once was an accepted norm and is now seen as a horrible institution. As you rightly…

It’s always well meaning do-gooders who can’t have a freaking logical discussion about history without making it personal.

True, which is why I fully admit there are gray areas to this topic. I was all for the Confederate flag being removed from the State House grounds in SC because I’m fully aware of why it was put there, and it’s not a recognized US national or state flag.

The US revolution never would have occurred without “traitors”. I’m seeing the same general talking points here—-slavery and traitor....do you guys have anything else???

It’s hard to argue with such an eloquent speaker as yourself, but I’ll try. a) I didn’t “lose” anything—I’m an American who certainly doesn’t sympathize with the majority causes of the Confederacy. b) That’s nonsense that they declared war—-they held multiple conventions to secede, (which wasn’t declared illegal until…

LOL, more stereotyping with the “truck” comment. Too funny. It’s easier to get people spewing the same lines when you make the debate personal for them though I guess. I’m 100% American, and 100% glad the Confederacy lost, and I definitely don’t have a truck.....you’ll have to vilify me in some other way to maintain…

“Your” team? Yawn. Another non sequitur argument, assuming I’m pro-confederacy. Next.

To me, the era in which some of these monuments were erected, and the motivations for some of them being erected, are a bit of history to be learned from in and of itself.

I think you’re unintentionally getting to the gist of my point......the WWII memorial no more honors killing Japanese civilians any more than a confederate soldier memorial honors the enslavement of Africans.

Wrong! Because I can speak for the world and make pejorative statements too!

I guess it’s easier than discussion around the removal of historical monuments, so carry on....let’s go find the toothless Klan wizards who clearly burned this (hideously painted) Lamborghini and burn them sumbitches right back.

a) It’s not “my” flag....that’s not my schtick, promise. I’m 100% American. b) This isn’t about the flag at all.....these monuments aren’t being targeted because of the flag, it’s because they were on the wrong side of the war.

A) my house isn’t public land. B) Although we fought against it, the Nazi movement isn’t exactly an integral part of the fabric of the US.

Ok, so to put it in layman’s terms, we’ll cherry-pick, which is a fantastic method when those making the decisions are in agreement with you, and a lousy place to be when they don’t.

See, it took a few posts, but we found some common ground. I would like all instances of “Bro Country” removed from public purview. Cheers.

Just like in defining whether secession is legal, whether one is a traitor or not depends entirely on which side wins. ;-)