Because it is no longer offered as a 5-door/wagon, so therefore cannot be considered a ‘hot-hatch’.

Neither of which are available state-side. I maintain my original statement with that additional caveat.

GTI, FoST, FiST all have 250hp or less. This is over 300hp.

Wasn’t it a 370Z Nismo that got put into the wall by C&D because its stock brakes were so terrible that they failed abruptly?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but what constitutes ‘enough’? How about the 200hp that the BRZ/86 have? You could make the same argument.

True, the Mustang costs more than it did in 2005, but it’s not as if you’re not getting anything for that extra money.

The CPO warranty helped mitigate significant fears of outlandish costs of ownership. 7 years, 100k miles bumper-to-bumper from original date of purchase (so I get 4 years, 80k miles, for 40% off MSRP).

At the end of the day, I very nearly pulled the trigger on the Outback, but couldn’t justify spending that kind of…

I did a #3. Bought 3-year-old XC70(with only 20k miles and a CPO warranty) in top trim and engine for less than a brand new top trim and engine Outback ($31k vs $35k). While Subaru interiors have come a long way in recent years, even in Limited trim you can’t really consider them semi/near-luxury cars, and it shows.…

I guess that’s another win for XC70 over Outback. The Volvo accessories are similar in price to those of Subaru, but they’re much more solid feeling and better designed than those of Subaru. In addition, there is a much larger variety of them, which I guess is a benefit of them producing the same model without…

You assume there’s any credibility left to ruin. I generally don’t associate the Eclipse name with positive qualities. I may have once, pre 3rd and 4th generation, but that’s ancient history now.

Wasn’t Sportback the name they used for the Lancer Ralliart hatch? Seems they could revive that moniker. Outlander Sportback.

I believe that was certain years of the XC90, if I recall correctly.

I did that same cross-shopping between a 2016 Outback 3.6R Limited and a used 2013 XC70 T6 Platinum, and came to the opposite conclusion. Between the excellent CPO warranty on the Volvo, and the higher cost of the Subaru to get similar levels of equipment ($31k vs $36k), I felt it was a no-brainer.

Don’t forget the lack of rear-seat leg-room that all of the _60 models in Volvo’s lineup suffer from. Convinced me to get a XC70 instead. And yeah, that T6 is a fantastic engine. Shame they discontinued it.

Oh god, the stuff is terrible to machine though.

A response based on ignorance or unfamiliarity is rarely logical.

Not trying to insult you, but you come across as sheltered. The world does not revolve around NYC and its unique stance on guns. Never feeling safe because the possibility exists that someone around you might be armed is not a logical response. The rest of the country moves on with their life, so should you.

The best value proposition with XC70's (and arguably Volvos in general) was getting one used. Depreciation hit those cars like a ton of bricks, so picking up a top-trim lightly-used example for less than a new Outback 3.6R wasn’t that hard. I was shopping around for a 2016 3.6R back in January, but ended up…

New Volvo’s are a hard sell, used CPO is where the value lies.

Don’t turbocharged engines generally run at lower compression ratios, further reducing the theoretical efficiency when not in boost?