There was a certain tone of derision in what you said... sorry if I assumed you were shitting on past innovators (as this whole discussion has become pretty polarizing), but most people taking part don’t seem to understand that every forward step builds on previous knowledge and experience.

 If by winner you mean billionaire and sitting in one of the most powerful offices in the world.... then I guess you could say, yeah, he’s winning.

Most everyone ignores history lessons at their own peril. Take former Prime Minister Trudeau, smiling waving face paddles a canoe down a river and gets elected then tanks the Canadian economy to feed his own ego. Fast forward a couple decades and the dust has barely collected on the history books, next thing you know…

Ok.... what would you use as a boundary instead?

It doesn’t matter which wing design. You literally can’t generate enough lift at the Karman line without entering entering orbit.

Well the same people who figured out living in a cave was better than living under a tree were once innovators in their own time.... but you want to shit on them while you ride around on their coattails?

Wait wait wait just a minute there. Now I appreciate steelies and am currently considering installing them on my ride, but cool they are not. I was happy to run them before for their resiliency and to save wear on my alloys, but when I sold that car I had the original rims put back on and damn did they look WAY cooler…

Neat.

Came here for pics. Leaving disappointed...

A ticket for what? Molesting a pile of snow?

Almost certainly carcinogenic.

You know...a 10 hour charge off a standard wall socket is actually sufficient for most daily driving needs. I’d actually probably end up gaining a decent charge in the long run.

Except that, at the Karman line, you have to be travelling fast enough to generate enough lift that you’ve now reached orbital velocity.

Oh man that couch looks comfy.

Quick question: How far would you have to pedal on one of them bicycle generators to give a Tesla a full charge?

 Sounds like smart business.

Ah.... see what’s in a name. The point is good, but you have to realise anyone with a good deal of experience has seen success and failure. Learning from your mistakes is what’s important and there’s value in paying attention to the mistakes others have made; including Lutz, Trump, Jobs, and Musk... to name a few.

Ummm... not really. Ignore wing design for a minute and think about gravitational pull and velocity. The Karman line is the minimum altitude where a craft can travel at a fixed velocity and use the gravity of the Earth to stay in orbit. Wing design becomes irrelevant because it’s no longer aerodynamics that keeps the…

Yeah.... really the only way to go is in an RV. I’m kicking myself for not buying one instead of the Jeep and here’s why: they’re cheaper to buy if you go used, you save money on rent, you have a furnace, you have a freaking kitchen, you can store nearly everything in them, you have a couch, and you have a shitter.

 Short answer is there isn’t.