More competition is good - but everyone is still wise to be very cautious over Mad Catz gear from previous experiences; in the past they have indeed made absolute cheap pieces of shit. Hopefully this isn't one of them, but its moot; if my CSR Elite won't work with Forza 5, I'll not be buying an Xbone.

It is confirmed to work on the PS4.

Um... how was anyone supposed to know that? I bought my Fanatec CSR Elite and Pedal set well over a year ago - Xbox One was not announced; so... time masheen?

This - And if you paid $400 for the elite wheels and pedals you most have bought it used (or got it on sale or something) - I paid more than $600 for my set. So will I drop $500 on a new console, $60 on Forza 5, and another $500-$600 on a replacement wheelset, just to play Forza 5? Nope. And I'll not be buying a Xbone…

So you're saying you drive an automatic then. Gotchaaa...

Wow those are some seriously tight parameters for maneuvering.

It's a joke. We realize there's no card. So relax. It's still the internet - if you think this site will be that much different, you're gonna have a bad time.

Can the TCS/Stability control be disabled is what I'd like to know - being unable to do that took this immediately off my list - if it can be, and more power? Then it would be towards the top of my car list.

Taking things a little to heart aren't we?

And you can't drink a beer. I'll take the freedoms and all that goes with it thank you.

I don't think it's you that gets to decide that though...

You are the fucking man bro. Love that car.

I don't think I would take one of these if you gave it to me, unless I planned on doing some offroading or demolition derby. Cannot stand these "Cadillacs".

No... I don't have it off. That is the equation. It is divided by 5252 no matter the rpm....

Right - no I understand that - but the inverse is not true - one cannot have high torque, and the SAME horsepower, without the revs being lower. The math doesn't work. Hell, some military vehicles have 520lbs/ft of torque, but 120hp - do the math on how much they rev to - it ain't much, and they don't feel fast at ALL…

But the figures you posted of keeping the 200hp, and giving it 200 lbs/ft of torque, thats the math on that - 5200rpm:

You're kinda all over the place here man. The BRZ was designed with handling in mind. The mustang most certainly was not. You are comparing apples to grape juice here.

It's not a weakness factor - diesel truck motors are hardly weak - but they don't rev, and thats because of engine design. This is NOT a Fox 5.0 Mustang, and lord help me if it ever becomes one.

Whole thread is here - not really tuner but a horrible, horrible body shop ruined this guys car.

Its much much harder (read = $$$) to get an engine to rev higher - minimum of new valves, valve springs, and oil pump - more than likely new head