Wait, I was with you until you seemed to be praising Snyder's Watchmen. I can't tell if you are or not :P (But I did think he took the miniseries route you mention, myself, even if it's not a miniseries—and yet kinda missed the point).

Yeah, I tried the book several times—mainly just because people I knew REALLY liked it (I remember my best friend when I was 12 or so—for what it's worth a girl and not someone particularly tuned into sci fi , loved it, though she eventually lost interest trying to get through the sequels). I have complete respect…

I was confused as to why they showed a clip from Eli's story in the "Previously on" opening, and then nothing from the story in the episode….

I love it, but I'm a big Visconti fan—particularly from this film onwards (something that has gotten me in trouble for saying before). I have learned though that it's a film I will never recommend to anyone ever again, let alone watch along with them (I mean I already knew that about Ludwig II, but man I've raised…

It's at the very end (in fact I think it starts right when the end credits—which start a bit early) appear. Very very easy to just stop watching before then. (Personally I thought it was… meh)

Oooh, that's a fair point. Still, she did keep the clipped UK accent…

He sure did. I don't see how this could be any less clear…

Right. I think this is an important point some are completely disregarding in how she died…

Well neither is really a strong element—of Daredevil anyway—even in the darkest comic arcs…

I am no expert but in the episode they said that the two younger kids were the servant's kids who he looked after (no idea where those servants are—the tour guide mentioned this during the tour). Martin and Jane's parents died (?) and he looked after them for some time, the tour guide said, when that happened too.

Not saying this is a satisfying answer, or isn't, but at the end of the last episode they basically showed the Dean giving up.

Wait… his dad? Plover's not his dad. Or do you mean someone else?

Right. As I commented… somewhere—I think *this* show has earned the fact that, to use an already kinda outdated term, we should give it the benefit of doubt when it comes to the "burden of representation." Not every POC or queer character shown has to have a completely happy fate (I still think, since the character…

Or American Crime's abrupt quick cut to a black screen. Grrr.

Exactly. I really can't get behind this being a "burden of representation" situation on *this* specific show. Just as you say we already have fairly diverse representation on the show—and Kiera IMHO added that. She was portrayed as a strong character who knew her own self and I don't think this show should be…

Very well said.

I kinda hate when TV and movie people (even extremely talented TV and movie people) bring up the "Well in literature, this kind of ending would be seen differently". But I did think, after going through my own reaction to the ending, how if this had been in a novel I would have much more willingly closed the novel…

You took the words right out of my mouth (man, I really shouldn't quote Meatloaf in a serious thread).

I get why Taylor too the plea deal (and I agree that I think he would have) but I admit this is perhaps the one time on this show I wish it had tried to teach some sort of lesson. Or I didn't agree with the lesson maybe it was teaching. I know I can be too sentimental about things—but I strongly do agree that, even…

Agreed exactly. (And that would be my grade for the season, not that anyone asked ;) )