So now we know that the Zhat Vash orchestrated the attack on Mars which led to the Federation banning all synthetic life. As reveals go, it’s not the worst the episode has in store for us; the biggest problem is that it’s entirely unsurprising.

It was this or let Romulans murder them all. At least keeping them alive gives them chance to be free one day. She already lost so many and we’ve seen her becoming more radical about protecting them over the years. It’s no wonder present Seven is different from the one all those years ago on the Voyager.

Yes, but also that is very tempting. She’s like an addict. She has to fight it every day and she knows it’s bad but if she succumbs to it again she knows that, just like all the drones, she won’t want to leave.

Yes, it seems very desperate and almost out of character - he usually more of a meticulous planner than deranged. This verges on suicidal.

The worst part that it was the best episode of the season yet (Return of the Mack again) and I spent the whole thing sqeening with glee and I was counting on that episode discussion. I feel so cheated.

It was so much fun. I mean Damian Darhk being one of Encores makes perfect sense but I loved how they continued with his character development. He really loves Nora and wants her to have the life she wants. I mean he’s still a horrible person in many ways but at least he doesn’t kill her friends any more. And I loved…

Sure, he wanted Barry dead but he barely did anything about it since season 1. In fact at times he was almost friendly. And he for sure was never this kind of “kill you and everyone you ever cared for” kind of deranged. He’s usually carefully plans both his kills and his exit strategy. This seems almost suicidal.

I really hope here or io9 is going to do a Legend’s review today because it was such an amazing episode and I need to talk about it.

I wondered if this is some kind of set-up to trick Barry to do something - like kill him or make the artificial Speedforce- but Cecile says he’s filled with hatred. I wonder what happened since we last saw him?

Yes, this whole thing is highly suspicious. Why cycle through faces of different Earths’s Wellses that he never even met? Also since when he has power to just posses people? He never possessed Earth-1 Harrison Wells. He killed him and then change his face to look like him. Is this a ghost of Thawne just powered by…

That seemed like too many plots for one episode - Wally’s back, Cisco’s back, Thawne’s back could all be their own episodes and then there was Turtle 2 and NotIris. There was barely enough time for the actual Death of the Speedforce. It kind of doesn’t feel real especially since they already figured out how to go…

Yes, Orphan 55 was all the problems with Chibnal run smashed together and upped to 11. Such a horrible episode. It doesn’t go that bad often but the plots that fizzle into nothing (the whole VOR thing) or come out of nowhere (Death Particle) aren’t uncommon.

That has been an issue with Chibnell’s run in general. Half-realised ideas that are made to be emotionally destructive to the characters but make no logical sense. Too many plots at once some abandoned half-way through. Concentration on message and big speeches without building that conclusion. And so on. Sometimes…

When it was miniaturised by the Master. Who then, conveniently, also given it to the Doctor. It was all a very complicated suicide plan.

It made sense when the Time Lords abilities to regenerate were supposed to come from mastering the Time Vortex. But now it all just falling apart. I mean does that mean they would’ve gotten the regeneration anyway once they discovered time travel?

I mean they never say they gave it to him in the Time of the Doctor. Their ability to communicate was very limited. Maybe they just sent that thing through the Crack to trigger Doctor’s regeneration instead of waiting for him to actually die. Or maybe someone from the Division realised that the lie was about to be…

It seems Chibnall wanted to make sure the Time Lords are really, really dead this time. Time War was too easily reversible. This tries to make sure it can’t be. That’s one very dead planet. No Dregs this time.

In fact, she could have a great future as a Tom Cruise body double

I’m pretty sure it works the same as Al Capone’s gun - permanently kill anyone including the encore. It left the same green smoke.

I mean this is pure speculation so I might be totally wrong but the time they spend on that cop only to kill her and the whole way her having a son was introduce just screams this being a set up for something. And it’d be a good way to connect Ryan to Legends (besides being Paragon with Sara) and Encores (they killed…