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I didn’t write the thing you quoted so have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m trying to explore the options that are available to universities in these situations. The policies vary and the case law varies.

That’s odd. Not only are you claiming that what is true of the part (in this case, white people who stick together and blame other races for their problems) is true of the whole, but now you are arguing that the claim is only true of the whole as a whole, and not when referring to the part. You’re quite wrong about

Do you honestly not understand why someone might find an issue interesting, and want to sort out where the various limits and possibilities lie, without having a particular axe to grind, and without having a point of view that can neatly boxed into one of two narrow options? Do you have to want to refute someone who

Nobody is saying you’re wrong about that. It’s bizarre that you keep saying the same thing over and over, hoping someone will disagree. Yet here we are.

Okay. Who’s arguing that people should be jailed for saying dumb things, or that they shouldn’t be able to parade around saying dumb things? Not me.

No matter how strenuously you try to make it so, I am not promoting content-based restrictions on invited speakers to this hypothetical senior center. They might have some safety concerns given the nature of the facility, and sometimes those safety concerns are tricky in their relationship to content. I am not taking

No; I am making a point about what I understand to be true of Nazis. I have not commented at all about any other group of people. Do you think I am wrong about Nazis? Do you think white people deciding to stick together and blame other races for their problems is unrelated to the essential ideology of Nazis, or

No, you’re telling me I want to restrict people’s speech, and I don’t, and you won’t believe that. Maybe one reason to be clear about the ways a public facility can restrict access is that you don’t want them to be able to do that. Who knows. The possibilities are quite open. Try to be honest.

I am not sure you understand how events are scheduled at a university, but I’m sure you don’t understand how they are paid for. They aren’t usually a means of generating revenue. I bring up examples that I hope will clarify things or illuminate the truth of an issue; it doesn’t mean I agree that this is how things

I’m not making an argument about black people; I’m saying that when white people decide they must band together and that some other race is causing their problems, it sounds like the essence of Nazi beliefs. Do you deny this is true? Is there some other important essence of Nazi beliefs that contradicts this, or that

I am not advocating that people show up to fight at speeches, nor did I argue that all such events were or needed to be violent, or that one side or the other needed to initiate the violence. I’m asking whether a senior center owned by the government needs to host every type of free-speech event, and it’s a serious

It is true that the average yahoo with a bad opinion doesn’t get to invite himself anywhere onto campus to address a group. This is already true; it’s not something for which I have to argue or want to argue, because it’s a fact about the world. You are pretending things about what I want and intend and am advocating

I gave an example of a way they could restrict access to venues, by making it invitation-only. That doesn’t mean I WANT them to do this or that I wanted them to do it in this case. However, I do disagree with you that good speakers face a great burden, or a legally impermissible burden, under such policies, because

You’re a liar, flat out. What is wrong with you?

Agreed. I don’t want to be in an overflow room and I don’t even like having them for other people, regardless of whether I am in that room. They should have a system prepared for this where extra services are scheduled and people are warned about the overflow. They can also start the service in the main sanctuary

I wouldn’t leave if I took the trouble to get there, but I do not like overflow rooms and believe the church should be able to anticipate this most of the time and schedule extra services or otherwise try to eliminate the need for one.

Yes. My point is simply that a lot of restrictions can be placed upon speech in a government-owned space, before we ever reach the issue of content. If those non-content restrictions are so onerous as to prevent people from exercising their rights, then obviously they too may have a limit. But the limits are such that

Okay, I’m sorry, but polite conversation with you is impossible. When you falsely attribute beliefs to other people that they have expressly denied having, and are not arguing for in any way, that’s outside the bounds of polite discussion. You keep doing it and you won’t stop, so enjoy talking to yourself instead. You

First, you’re asking for an example of something I’m not arguing for - in essence, you want me to start arguing for the straw man you’re building. The fact that you have to ask what I am arguing for should be a sign that maybe you shouldn’t demand me to support a position that is not mine. I’m certainly not assuming

Like I said, a very few people. One? Maybe two?