If we can both agree that Republicans are awful and need to be voted out of power, I think the rest is academic. Many think that the Democrats should have shut down the government and got a DACA deal. I am of the opinion that the Republicans would never have agreed. They’re in lockstep. Others think that the Democrats…

False-equivalency is the new religion of the self-hating left.

So do something about it. Run for office. Start small and work your way up. A lot of people have started doing that after Trump was elected.

I prefer the idiots.

Indeed.

Well, you can be made at Democrats and stay home in November. Or you can vote and hope for something better.

DACA was dead from the moment Trump rescinded it. The Republicans won’t give an inch on it and never would have.

If you think that, DACA would never have been enacted in the first place.

Don’t vote for them in the 2018 midterms. I’m sure that will make everything better.

Indeed. The Republicans love the Democrats circular firing squad.

Democrats could have shut down the government until the 2018 midterms and paid for it. Remember while a majority of Americans back DACA, a majority don’t think it is worth shutting down the government over it.

Is it? Reboundstudent actually makes a valid point that it is the Republican President that repealed DACA and the Republican congress that has failed to pass legislation. I would add that it was a Democratic President that enacted DACA. And the only reason it was an Executive Order rather than legislation was because…

As long as that anger gets you to the polls in November.

The Republicans have the advantage of being largely in lock-step over a lot of their policies. They are homogeneous mostly old, white men. Democrats are diverse with a variety of view points. Which makes it really difficult to get a consensus on anything.

Democrats have caved for decades. It is what they do. They’re still better than the “burn-it-all-down-with-fire” team.

I agree with you completely. Revenge of the circular firing squad.

They were damned either way.

I think it is fair to say that they knew that they were getting played. They wanted political cover for not shutting down the government. They were damned either way.

Kind of missed the point their sport: Third party candidates have not won an election in modern times. It is not a viable path if you want to stop Trump. If you vote Republican or stay home then you are losing in the sense that they will dismantle the social safety net and destroy the middle class.

Nice ad hominem. Get back to me when you have an actual argument.