Yeah, of course they lie. That is not the point. The point is that the Dems can shutdown the government until the midterms and they still won’t get a deal on DACA.

Well, you can be an idealist and watch the country go to hell, or you can be a pragmatist and live in a sub-optimal, but not vomit-inducing country.

Elon Musk did sell out of flamethrowers rather quickly.

The Democrats could shut down the government until the 2018 midterms and the Republicans still wouldn’t give them a deal on DACA.

Get back to me in December 2018.

The Dems could shutdown the government until the 2018 midterms or until McConnell nukes the filibuster, whichever comes first. But it may cost them the house in 2018 and they still may still not get a deal on DACA.

A well thought-out response that has the nuance that most comments here lack.

I’d take spineless disappointments over demonstrably evil agents of hate.

Indeed. It is sad that so many people are falling for it.

Finally, a voice of rationality. It seems the other commenters here are content to throw up their hands and let the Republicans turn America into a banana republic. And I’m not talking about the pants store.

Um, did you miss the part where Pelosi said she wouldn’t support it without a commitment to fix DACA?

And if you keep expecting to get everything you want from Democrats, then be prepared to suffer through another seven years of Trump, and the Republicans controlling all three branches of congress.

Unless you want more Trump and Trumpism, they are the only game in town. Don’t know about you, but I am a fan of voting for the lesser of two evils. I mean, what rational person wouldn’t be? There is fundamentally less evil.

They are not gullible. They’re in an incredibly difficult position. The majority of Americans support DACA but do not support shutting down the government over it. I would argue they should do what is right and shut down the government until the 2018 midterms to get a DACA deal if needed, but that might cost them the…

Best laugh of the day!

Ah, the old “takers” versus “makers” argument. What a tired canard. If you are in an accident and paralyzed from the neck down I hope you stick to your principles.

I worry that the ideological purists are going to ruin it for everybody and we’ll have another four years of Trump. All because the ideologically pure don’t like their choices and stay home, or vote for a third-party nobody.

Unfortunately we have an electorate that seems to think the grass is always greener on the other side, so the pendulum continually swings back and forth no matter how crazy one party gets.

“We have the government we deserve.”

The immigrants aren’t the problem. The redistribution of wealth to the 1% and corporations is.