Yeah, I see. All strippo WT models that are at the same few dealers that are all 2,300 miles away from me. Not exactly all over the place or common.

Where have you seen a new Colorado V6, 4X4, crewcab for under $25k brand new? I was shopping for one last year and never saw any at that price or anywhere near it.

How many people pay that MSRP for those base 2wd/ crew cab /V6 F150s though? Trucks can get some big discounts. Hell, back when I bought mine I got 8k off MSRP on my 3/4 ton without even really trying. (40k to 32K)

And yet Lexus and BMW sell the same number of total units in the US.

A base Nissan Frontier is probably as close as you’re gonna get these days. $20k, stick shift, has a screen.

We bought two new cars in late 2018 (replacing a 2005 Jetta, bought new and a 2013 Fit Sport, bought new) so unless something gets totaled we won’t be buying any more new cars for at least 6-10 more years...

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As expected, there was more to the big picture but that’s what I remember from the time. Under Roger Smith, GM created Saturn, but they also wasted a ton of money in the 1980s with ambitious and expensive failures like the blown GM-10 platform, the Hughes and EDS aquisitions, automation drives, etc. which…

If they sold well, they would still be in production. But Americans don’t buy volume cars anymore.

Well, yeah. But nobody is buying Caddy sedans, no matter how good they are.

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Background: I was at Saturn in 1995-96 and spent a month at Spring Hill in 1996 for master tech training, and to qualify on the EV1. I spoke with program engineers there, because that was possible and it was really technically interesting.

GM really did pull off a moon shot with the EV1, coming out of the popular…

For the record, I’m over 6' tall and me and three other 6' 1" + guys all had room at the same time in my ‘13 Fit Sport, a few years ago. Headroom and legroom, front and back. That car has it’s faults, but passenger and cargo room isn’t one of them, especially considering it has the same footprint as a 1993 Civic 2…

You’re entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn’t pay $30k for something that slow and ugly, with a range bordering on useless once cold weather hits and heater use is necessary. But whatever floats your boat.

Range is one thing, acceleration is another big thing. 9 second 0-60 is *slow* for a new car, especially a $30k new car.

You can use any competitive EV for a comparison, it doesn’t have to be a Bolt. The ‘20 Kona EV gets the full tax credit, also does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds and offers about the same range as a ‘20 Bolt or slightly more (Bolts got a range bump over the ‘18). All for about $3k more than this Mazda EV, assuming both get the…

Sure. You can use any competitive EV for a comparison, it doesn’t have to be a Bolt. The ‘20 Kona EV gets the full tax credit, also does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds and offers about the same range as a ‘20 Bolt or slightly more (Bolts got a range bump over the ‘18). All for about $3k more than this Mazda EV, assuming both get…

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Dude. The ‘13 Fit Sport has the same hp as the standard Fit. 117.
And the lack of power complaint isn’t an acceleration thing for me as much as having the engine screaming at 4,000 rpm+ @ 75mph and not having the power to safely pass people at 50mph plus, particularly if you have a few passengers, some cargo or…

I think it’s fun. Roll on acceleration is ample, it feels good turning corners, you can throw it into corners and with sticky tires it will autocross like a BMW according to a comparison I read where they did exactly that. True single pedal driving - something you can’t get in a Tesla yet AFAIK- is really great in…

Why would anyone in the US buy the MX-30 for $35,000 (Car and Driver estimate, base price) with those specs? Even if you make a good income and can take the max federal tax credit, that $27,500 is close to what we paid for our new ‘18 Bolt, optioned with heated seats, heated steering wheel and DC fast charge options -…

I’m old enough to remember the Alfas of the late 1980s/early 90s. My neighbor had one, one of my friends actually got one as a rental (!!!) for a few days back then. Both were reliability disasters that i’m told were fun to drive - when they ran. The rental 164 had 500 miles on it when the A/C compressor seized. In…