I don't drink but I second this, the biggest value will be sleeping or working during a commute or boring roadtrip (no time for fun detours), if it ends up being glorified cruise control (not the way Google is approaching it) then count me out.

There is no hatred for Mercs, there's just less of them doing interesting things. At the last track day I was at BMW outnumbered Mercedes at least 5:1. You want to see some AMG exposure? Do awesome things in an AMG find other news and videos and share them around. For every M3 article write an AMG article, buying…

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That's right on target for the EPA estimates for that year Corolla 26 City/33 Highway and not one of the cars we've been discussing. Kind of just continues to prove my point that the Toyobaru does just fine gas mileage wise. Yes a car that's 700-400 lbs lighter with a smaller motor gets better gas mileage than a…

The Fiesta is a great benchmark (although hard sell on the 'sports car' part) I won't begrudge that comparison and the Toyobaru definitely pales per your priorities.

That's not a surprise, it's EPA rated at 22 mpg for city traffic, combined with LA traffic seems like a no-brainer to me. You still haven't answered me though, what sports car is your benchmark for fuel economy and have you redlined it through the gears?

Fair criticisms I suppose, I'm curious about the mileage though, what was the benchmark for you on the mileage? I'm sitting at 27 mpg average including some track time, miles better than the RX-8 or S2000 and despite claims to the contrary Corvettes struggle to hit mid 20's.

How so? In 1989 the Mazda Miata had 115 horsepower, 25 years later it comes with a whopping 170 horsepower. The niche hasn't changed, the internet commentators just got bored and run away with comments from journalists who drive loaded Mustang GT's and Corvettes and consider them "sports cars" as well.

Well considering the FR-S has already surpassed the FD RX-7 in terms of units sold and time on the market why would they take advice from a less successful endeavor? Don't get me wrong, I love the RX in all forms but it isn't the business case to copy.

Realistically owners are seeing ~27 mpg on average, the FI guys are reporting closer to ~23 mpg averages I believe. Considering forced induction kits cost $5k alone I'd be surprised if Toyobaru can put out this car with forced induction with the same reliability for $30k (It's likely they may have to beef up some of…

What? Can you link me to the E85 fires? I've only seen one and that's because the hose wasn't installed correctly, nothing to do with the tune.

A year and a half in and it doesn't need a drop more power. You don't see this kind of argument with the Miata, people should have realized why by now. Maybe if Toyota sticks to it's guns and is still making it 20 years from now people will shut up about it...

Have you driven one? Actually run through the gears to the redline? Just curious.

God yes, the only affordable option is VW and the reliability doesn't exactly inspire confidence leaving 10+ year old Japanese wagons or the BMW/Merc/Audi which are even scarier... Hoping to convince the SO that a hatch will be enough.

Legacy Wagons were available up until 2006 I believe, the '05/'06 model years were the last generation offered here with the GT package that is basically a detuned STI engine from my understanding. The 2.5i package has less power, better gas mileage and will be cheaper to get a hold of with the same looks and…

2005+ Subaru Legacy Wagon 2.5GT

Aside from the infotainment which looks like it's attached via double sided tape I completely agree.

If the Miata isn't #1 then I'll be severely disappointed: so many people call it a girls car and slow and blah blah blah. It's the truest sports car on the market today or for the past 24 years and doesn't get that credit.

Still a Vee-Dub built in Mexico, hoping she enjoys driving the Impreza or Mazda3 enough to sacrifice the interior space of the Sportwagen and get a more reliable hatch, otherwise I'll be digging through all the data I can find to figure out the best way to get a hassle free VW.

Shit my girlfriend and I joke about moving continents to get the Mazda6 wagon, nobody makes a reliable one under $30k new here (Jetta is the only alternative), best we're going to get is an Impreza which barely qualifies as a wagon in our opinion as you need to move the front seats forward to fit a roadbike without…