This is geek culture. I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they named her a "Mary Sue" lol. That was kinda cool.

I think it's been good the last month, I've certainly been more entertained by it than I used to be.

I thought these episodes are taking place in the middle of the movie. Fury is still "dead." The Hill thing doesn't come till after things are resolved.

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Yeah, like most of the commenters on this thread lol.

My point about the ad hominem is that he built that into his speech by saying "Worst Generation Ever," which then causes people to become defensive and gloss over. I'm saying it did the speech a disservice, especially as it came out as the old white character lecturing a young girl.

I really liked the Cami stuff too, and didn't care as much about the werewolves. Cami has turned into one of my favorite characters on the show.

Wasn't the line "we fought for moral reasons?" I'm not sure how your examples refute the argument, as they seem to be examples of fighting for morality, albeit you may have been referencing the downsides like McCarthyism and political witch-hunts.

And yet not refuted, just more veiled ad hominem.

It doesn't do him any favors because it was actually ensconced within a bunch of semi-accurate factoids about how America really is trailing behind in various cultural achievements, but the points are lost in the "old white guy pontificating about this generation" schtick which a lot of people can't get past. It's…

Wow, you knew all the factoids in the show and didn't learn anything? Big props.

Sigh….and again the "Worst. Generation. Ever" clip rears its head. To be fair, the show has a lot more interesting bits than that, but sure, that's one of the clips that's gotten the most hits and it isn't exactly doing Sorkin any favors. I do agree his ideas are well-intentioned but can be preachy/odious at times,…

Yeah, that I know better than to believe a veiled ad hominem shot coming from someone who, if their logic holds, already knew EVERY SINGLE factoid from EVERY SINGLE episode of The Newsroom or West Wing. Internet hyperbole much?

She is like totally one of the best characters on the show. No, seriously. She's great in it!

To be fair, the speech had some decent points to make.

That did seem odd. I wonder if it was initially a network mandate, and they realized the tone was completely off.

Seriously? That's essentially saying a "cult" artist or writer (i.e., one with a very limited following) has no call to put any of his ideas in his work ever again if the only people who will consume it are already fans of his. Come on now, that is emphatically NOT how artists and writers think.

That part wasn't theatre, the part at the end of THIS episode in almost killing a man was the theatre I think he was referencing.

I don't think Hannibal's outsmarting is making everybody else look stupid. I think they have to go where the evidence leads them. Even Miriam Lass fingered Chilton, so the case against him will proceed (if he didn't die) until Crawford starts finding the stuff you think doesn't make sense and he will finally confront…

Internet hyperbole. Past movie references have been minor ones at best. How does that lead to nothing happens and they depend on movie plotlines? There have been season-long arcs involving the Clairvoyant, Deathlok, Coulson's past, Skye, etc. None of those involved using a movie as a crutch.