Unfortunately, not having read the book, I can only blame Scott… if for no other reason then not passing on it. I'll give KoH another shot, maybe my anti-Orlando Bloom sentiments colored my view of it unfairly.

Never read the book, but I do recall a blurb calling it an "unwatchable movie made from an unreadable book". I found that to be, at least 50% true. Feel free to weigh in more about KoH as well… I responded to Drinking with Skeletons there. I want to know more about this good version of KoH.

I don't know who to reply to… I saw this below a couple of hours ago lower down in the thread and was tempted to inquire further. Does it cut down on Orlando Bloom? His performance was… well, it's been a while since I've seen it, and it's hazy… but is the word "wooden" a fair discription?

That used to be my attitude toward Scott as well. A free ride based on Alien and Bladerunner (hell I even like Legend). But, I just can't anymore.

None of which shows that civil war is necessary to end slavery. The southern states chose to secede over fears of abolition. The North chose to fight a war to prevent the break up of the union. This was the conscious decisions made by people, not a force of nature.

No, they don't. They're "unlawful combatants", a bullshit term designed specifically to ensure that the Geneva Conventions don't apply. And the fact that they're combatants is exactly the thing that the government refuses to prove in a court of law, while also stripping them of their habeas corpus rights to challenge…

Yup, not your fault at all. At least being a condescending prick was what I was trying to do. Apparently being a smug one just comes naturally to you.

Yes, yours was a good faith effort to expand the discourse, not a passive aggressive attempt to mock. The interrogative nature of your engagement was so clearly expressed.

You are becoming a clown. You are, with a straight face, actually arguing that in a democracy people can be stripped of their fundamental rights, locked up for the rest of their lives and there is literally nothing that can be done about it. This is a great way to excuse failing (or not trying), but it's not serious.

Really? Here I thought the Emancipation Proclamation came after the seccession of the southern states, and that the war was about preserving the Union. Nice to know I was wrong.

It worked in Afghanistan.

Yeah, it's a bit vague with me too, but it had something to do with that wristband laser thing.

Yeah, because that is what it will take, a civil war. The idea that you can create an unjust prison, which is somehow unclosable is ridiculous. It didn't take a war to end slavery, it took legislation. If you seriously think that the political right is going to rise up to kill their fellow Americans to protect…

Congrats. And you, the official ambassador of the Liberal Establishment, seem to have some work to do to get your fellows on board. They don't seem to be listening to your edicts.

Yet slavery no longer exists. So apparently they weren't crafty enough. So, if American liberals can't close Guantanamo (which I don't actually accept), how do they figure the will get Putin to close his camps? Online owns, editorial rants, posturing?

So, you never heard of two of the New York Times most famous columnists? One of whom (Friedman) is considered the most influencial columnist on Capitol Hill.

You are such a purist! Just because she's happy to yuck it up with a guy who killed hundreds of thousands of people doesn't undo what a force for good she represents.

No, I don't.

This may be the most impressive indictment of democracy I've heard anyone say. They literally, in a supposed democracy, can't be shut down? Man, if only anti-abolitionists had been so crafty.

Nice! Liberal morality writ large. Isn't that sort of the same mentality that Al'Qaeda has towards Americans?