this, and also i think that in her own fucked up way jessa really loves hannah, and truly misses her (as does hannah, she wouldn't be half as hurt if jessa had been a 'second tier' friend like marnie suggested)

she said she can't have jessa in her life right now, so i don't think it implies she's ready to be friends, but she wants to move on and let go of the hurt which is fair enough.

disagree, i thought it was quite disturbing and in line with jessa's comment before they hooked up, on the fact they'd end up killing each other (paraphrasing, can't remember the exact line). idk which bit made you think of them as a good fit btw, was it when they started to smash things up like in that michael…

I'm sure there would have been no Marnie/Ray then.

i didn't love this season (some things really dragged, some choices are crap) but hannah definitely had a satisfying end to her arc, and it actually feels like moving forward, which is really nice.

she did, with hannah. imo, as i wrote in another comment, it's less about being horrified by the baby throwing up (although caring for babies and young children is completely different than being a nanny for older children), and more about making everything about herself and wanting attention. and that's why adam…

to get attention from adam? 'oh adam help me help me, i have spit on my back!'. that's why he called her out.

my interpretation of the fran/hannah dynamic, is that she felt she had to be with him because he seemed so grounded and nice. and yes, that made her oddness even worse, they were terrible together lol

mostly i don't understand what's so extreme about it? she was making it about herself, whenever there were bigger issues. it was inappropriate.

but nobody looked for her for help, she helped while there with hannah. in fact, i'd say that was the first time jessa had been truly helpful, which is what made her (wrongly, because she isn't suited to it) decide to study as a counsellor. before then, she always needed help and offered none; when she needed a place…

she was a nanny to much older children though, and she also lost them. iirc, jessa saying she had been a nanny before was a lie.

yeah exactly, quite the opposite. she made the right choice in leaving fran, even if she did it in such a ridiculous way, so when the guy says 'a good place to start over' (paraphrasing, can't remember), she agrees. it's a good place to move forward.

undermining and demeaning. don't want to start an argument, but not everyone is an english native speaker, i never get the point of being testy about grammar whenever we're all aware people write from all over the world. moving on.

consent has always been murky in this show. it annoys me as well.

it's about context. your sister with post-natal depression just disappeared, and this baby needs caring. it's a worrying situation, so jessa overreacting to a bit of spit wouldn't have been a bfd if it happened in a less strained environment, but in that moment? get a grip, stfu and clean it up; there are far more…

and who said it is? also, i wouldn't put a failed blowjob on the same level as an actual relationship like jessa and adam.

but the problem is that he wanted her to be someone she isn't, and was really undermining towards her at times.

honestly, i think of this show as a dramedy, but i never questioned myself that much about definitions. i get why the lack of consistency in character development is annoying, because it's not real life, it's a story, so you expect your characters to move forward as well.

My only rationalization was that Hannah would rather suck Ray's dick than hear him giver her a lecture.

She had been the go-to person during crises