and noah didn't give an absolute crap about how important the recipe book was to alison. he really treats people like things.

I can't believe for a moment that anyone anywhere would be remotely interested in this dummy and his terribly written book

yeah, he's the worst but I'd be surprised if he cheats so early as well (although he'll be tempted i'm sure, in the clips for next episodes he has the pr coming onto him and some girl leaving him her number).

i'm sympathetic to alison, but I get what you're saying. even if she thinks the baby is noah's, she must be aware it might be cole's and it's quite a selfish thing to do to both of these men.

her own memories certainly paint her as downtrodden far more than everyone else's perception of her

i wonder if cole has an inkling as well? his reaction when he met the baby didn't let anything away, but it would be downright weird if he didn't wonder…

writers can be painfully unaware of how characters can come across completely differently than how they are in their heads lmao. noah lost any sympathy last season.

i'm a child of divorce, so I'm sympathetic to the fact marriage might not work and that people grow apart or/and fall out of love. this is just to say i'm not someone who's super judgy on affairs or divorce in general, i'm painfully aware of how hard staying together is and how much better NOT staying together might…

i think the reason why many struggle to relate to noah is because he's just so selfish and clueless, and has literally zero excuses to be the way he is.

yeah, the foreshadowing of the baby being cole's is hardly subtle lol. i also think that since cole has now made the decision to be different from the men in his family, he will just leave alison alone about the baby being his, even though he will be aware at some point that she might be his.

nah, i think the whole whitney's pregnancy is done and dusted.

not really, because it wouldn't be very in character for noah. more like, alison killed scotty and she's letting noah take the heat.

is she still saying that?

it's entirely possible to see the complexity in characters but still dislike them. i like alison even though she's incredibly flawed, and i like helen and cole as well. noah, not so much.

i usually feel sympathy for alison, and got her desire of getting away and start again after her tragedy, but the more she sticks with horrible noah the harder it gets. he's the worst.

Noah’s book would be the ancient cursed artifact that infects and ruins the lives of everyone who reads it before murdering them in some sort of brutal fashion.

Having sex with your girlfriend or fiancee when she's not really into it but doesn't say "no" is not a nice thing to do. But it's not rape.

not to mention she tried to slap him away.

But remember, that's just a tv show, and one that is cheaply manipulative at that, people don't approach it as if it were a case in court.

thank you SO SO much for this. I hope the lot of commenters who have been (rather insensitively might I add) insisting this was not rape, get to read what you wrote. i'm also incredibly concerned by the fact some people seem to have zero grasp on consent. that's why projects like school consent are so important; i'm…