Yes, but both the Enzo and the Audi have much stiffer frames than the Corvette and Cadillac. Both the Corvette and the Caddy would weigh much more than either car if you were to make their frames as rigid.

Or the ad monkeys who have ever done demo work...

So your whole beef with these ads is that the advertisement isn’t clear enough that it isn’t attacking aluminum as a whole, just Ford’s application of it? You realize these are advertisements for trucks, and not political campaign ads, right?

Depends where you live. There are plenty of horse people in the west that wouldn’t be considered “of money”.

You’d think, but what if while blowing the tire it rips through the fender and tears up the wiring which Germans love to hide in those things.

I’m genuinely shocked that someone who lives in Elizabeth, New Jersey, is bothered by the smell of horses. You’d think you would have gone nose-deaf by now. This isn’t just a dig at New Jersey which has some beautiful areas. Elizabeth smells like shit everywhere. Anyone who’s been there knows I’m not joking.

Yes, it’s a 73. It only has 8k miles on, but the previous owner dumped it and tried to make it into some sort of chopper. I’ve been un-Americanizing it with the goal of building a Brat style bike. I deleted the battery and run the whole thing off a 40k uF capacitor I put together. It’s a little finicky, but you don’t…

I would say a grand spread out over a year isn’t a big deal to someone buying a new $30k-40k truck. Otherwise they’d just buy a much cheaper used one.

I’m running a cammed 350 with a four barrel Edelbrock performance carb, Edelbrock intake, Hedman headers, with a 3" straight piped exhaust through a turbo 350 (which I just burned up). I also flog it everywhere I go. I can get 10 mpg on the highway. It cam from the factory with a 305 V6 and only got about 12 mpg city…

Efficiency has a 100% correlation to the cost of fuel, so yes, it is relative.

I’m guessing you don’t know very many people.

No, they’re both bad, and both would be considered gas guzzlers. By that logic, a Prius could be considered a gas guzzler because a Tesla doesn’t use any fuel. If you have to spend the equivalent of a car payment to keep your DD car fueled up every month, it’s a gas guzzler. The fact other cars get better fuel economy…

So a Prius is a gas guzzler. Got it.

Efficiency is not relative if you’re talking about someone being able to afford fuel. For someone buying a brand new $30k-40k truck, a 20 mpg truck isn’t going to set them back too much. Also, if that’s how you’re going to judge whether or not a car is a gas guzzler, then a Prius is a gas guzzler because is is much…

I was referring to the turbocharged engines that Ford’s putting out. A lot of people don’t realize you’re only going to get the claimed fuel economy on a forced induction engine if you drive it soft. Drive with a lead foot and you’ll likely get worse fuel economy with a turbo V6 than an NA V8.

Then by your definition of gas guzzler, the 40 mpg car is also gas guzzler because you can buy a Tesla that doesn’t use any fuel, and at the same time the modern truck isn’t a gas guzzler because I have a ‘66 GMC in my driveway that get 8 mpg. You’re using flawed logic.

Exactly. Just because we know have cars that get 40 mpg doesn’t mean that a 20-25 mpg truck is a gas guzzler. People got rid of their actual gas guzzling cars because they couldn’t afford it. If you’re buying a $30-40k truck, then getting 20-25 mpg isn’t going to break the bank for you. My ‘66 GMC gets 8 mpg. When I…

My pickup only gets 8 mpg. Two wheels good indeed.

My Abarth averages 28-29 mpg, so I wouldn’t call something that gets 21 mpg a guzzler. My ‘66 GMC gets 8 mpg. You car gets the same fuel economy as my forty year-old motorcycle with a 444cc engine. That’s what we call a fuel sipper.

This is 2016. Most trucks aren’t gas guzzlers anymore if you drive them right. You can get a used Dodge fairly cheap right now as they have much shittier resale compared to Chevy/Ford/Toyota.