They are in the same league as Lotus products. The depreciated to a point and then stopped.

I have one as my 4th vehicle, and it gets a lot more use than I thought it would originally. It is absolutely great around town. I even put lighter Enkei wheels and upgraded Conti tires on it...with grip it is pretty fun to drive. The stock Ecopia tires are garbage.

That’s a 30-year old Lotus staring back at you. 30 years.. let that sink in.

No one recommended a minivan? Let’s be honest... It’s the most practical. New Caravan could be had for that money, or used Odyssey. I wonder what kind of cash KIA is putting on the hood of the Sedona. Older, cheaper, and possibly too small would be the Mazda5. It would be more efficient, though.

It’s still a shitty UI if you can’t really tell what that button is for

Develop and deploy an airborne laser: +10 Bond Villain Points