Yep, those thousands upon thousands of stories and cases each year of dealers screwing consumers are all the consumers fault.

Ugh....I know what the COPO program was, I was referring to how it was applied to drag cars by Fred Gibb and others.

Yes, I’m aware of the history behind COPO Camaro’s. It was Fred Gibb who owned the dealership that first worked out this plan with Pete Estes, a GM VP.

Yeah. COPO used to be a big engine option (with some accessories and an axle upgrade) for an otherwise stock car. Now it’s a race-car-in-a-box for the rich and lazy to go out and be competitive beat those that know what they’re doing and built their own rides.

While at the same time completely on point. Quite vexing, isn’t it?

That’s what Chamberlain kept saying about Hitler. So I guess it would be better if we were all blonde haired blue eyed goose steppers today huh?

It was the exit that created the vacuum you kept referring to. They should have stayed until the Iraqi government had the strength and the resources to prevent these groups from developing. That likely would have been many more years but would have stopped ISIS from becoming what they are.

The stereotype didn’t come from no where. And the constant stories from consumers over shady tactics in that industry aren’t conspiracy theories they are facts. Not everyone is a shyster but the numbers are significant enough that car buying is the routine cited s the worst purchase experience by consumers.

Yes, I’m 18 years in to a successful sales career. Spent 6 months in car sales in my very early 20's and realized it wasn’t selling it was manipulating people out of money regardless of what was good for them.

The vacuum in Iraq was only partially to blame, the ongoing war in Syria was as much or more so a factor in the creation of ISIS.

In those named countries there is definitely chem by all accounts, likely bio and a chance of nuclear in Saudi Arabia and Iran (they both at minimum posses radio active material for a dirty bomb).

Let the gulf states look after ti? Cause they;ve been doing such a good job containing it prior (or even after) external players entered operations?

You must have been born in the 80's or later and have slept during history class....

But non one swarms you in the aisle trying to convince you that the JW Blue is a good idea and that he can get you in to it for $0 down and only like $2 a month and really, it’s better for you and your family to drink JW Blue rather than milk.

Scum is trying to focus on the monthly payment and over selling a customer a car that’s out of their budget. So yes, the salesman is scum.

You have your facts completely wrong. The US has a homicide rate per 100,000 that’s more than 20 times higher than Australia:

Lets see what we have here:

Oh, and then they’ll endless try and rationalize and justify these silly things to anyone who points out the obvious stupity of their choice.

Falcon doors are like man-buns....the only people who want them are the insecure types desperate for attention so they’ll opted for anything that might be different even when it’s ridiculous and generally pointless.

With the current display of American idiocy following Trump from rally to rally its a impossible to tell sarcasim from all out stupidity.