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Electric cars, like anything manufactured, takes energy. The difference with EVs is that they stop producing carbon once they’re made, and never do again. Sure power plants do, but the difference between a gas car and a power plant-powered EV is dramatic as far as carbon emissions go.

Electrification is a delicate problem; it’s politically dangerous and Big Oil is trying to stop it at every turn. The best way to electrify the world is to do it via any way that works - and so far Tesla is the halo product for an electrified planet.

Nobody took EVs seriously until Tesla made them compelling and proved

EVERYTHING needs to be moved off of oil, but sure - pit one electric vehicle against another. That’s obviously what we need to prevent Global Warming.

There is love for the Roadster - in the unveiling he said “S3XY-R” which referenced the Roadster.

Power plants to the grid are about 60% efficient, if I recall. It would make sense for a stationary, long-term structure as a power plant to be far more efficient than a car, right?

Is that sold in America?

The information isn’t from Elon, rather Elon quoted it:

You forgot about the cost of refining oil into gas. Did you know that an EV can drive 100 miles on the electricity that it takes to refine oil into enough gas for an equally sized gas car to drive 100 miles on? That right there is insane.

You forgot about the cost of refining oil into gas. Did you know that an EV can drive 100 miles on the electricity that it takes to refine oil into gas for an equally sized gas car to drive 100 miles on?

You forgot about the cost of refining oil into gas. Did you know that an EV can drive 100 miles on the electricity that it takes to refine oil into the required gas for an equally sized gas car to drive 100 miles on? That’s before the gas car even drives. Before the argument of coal vs. hybrid cars or anything else.

Of course we Americans know what that is. It’s an Audi Q3.

Oh no, you’re definitely right. The Model 3 is obviously a more expensive car than the Civic in all regards, but its total cost of ownership is going to be lower than a comparable car such as a BMW or Mercedes because of fuel and maintenance savings.

Power plants are 60-70% efficient. Gas cars are about 20% at best. Your example is a coal-fired plant, the dinosaur of energy production. The grid gets greener every year, and thus EVs do as well. Not so for gas cars.

Toyota is very much against EVs. As are must of Japan’s manufacturers. Toyota’s ridiculous ads that vilify EVs are a good example.

I save about $70/month having switched from a 2009 Civic Si to a Model 3, and I don’t even drive that much. Also, no maintenance, no oil changes. Just tires.

You think the price of gas in the USA isn’t subsidized? Or the auto industry as a whole?

“This 15 year old electric technology isn’t perfected like my 100 year old combustion technology, it’s crap!” -people that don’t get it or don’t want to get it

People miss that part all the time - that, as energy gets greener, so do EVs. In 10 years my Tesla will be greener than it is today.

Even EVs charging on pure coal are more environmental than most gas cars, and the grid is getting greener and greener meaning EVs will get greener and greener. Can’t say that about gas cars which are only about 20% efficient whereas power plants are about 60-70% efficient.  Electric is better in virtually every way,

It’s just weird that so many people can just ignore the fact that 99.999% of environmental scientists say we *have* to get off of oil soon or we’re going to royally screw up our planet. Like, it’s just too inconvenient or something?