Just remember, if anyone asks, we went out for ice cream and you’re a sloppy eater.

Not just any minivan, it needs to be an FCA minivan with Stow-N-Go seats, regardless of year or model.

I would say a Minivan.

Your spot on. My first car was 14 years old when I got it (85 Colony Park). First, I LOVED that car, because it was not an SUV or a Mini Van and it could carry half the marching band in unmatched comfort (why did we stop making velour seats?). Also the 302 could do lovely 1 wheel burnouts in the parking lot.
But…

Here ya go. Luxurious, safe, reliable, and it might still be worth $18,000 when you sell it in a year. 2013 Lexus GX.

How this is not getting more stars is beyond me.

i mean best of luck to your kid, but hard disagree. 16-17 year olds have double the rate of accidents than any other age group, have the highest injury rate, and are basically tied with the elderly for highest fatality rate. telling your kid “hey I could protect you more but you need to learn the hard way” is not good…

Correct. Came here to say that outside of say, us (Lane Motor Museum, with a large European car collection), who else would be able to use this car? Still a ND in my opinion. $21K can buy a lot more weird microcars.

The gap on reliability ratings from most to least has narrowed so much over the last 15 ish years, but people still have the perception that the most reliable car is leagues better than the least reliable car.  That isn’t true like it used to be.  In the next 10-20 years, all new cars are going to be software…

Yeah, that’s wild. Looks like they changed the casting juuust enough to make it a V6, but you can clearly see where the last 2 cylinders are supposed to be.

In this conversation about reliability the Theta issue is certainly the bigger of the two issues. But the thefts have made main stream news, whereas Theta is only discussed on enthusiast sites and places like Consumer Reports. Reputation-wise, theft is bigger.

Welp, now I just learned about Molon Labe.

I don’t think there’s a single N-body product that was redeemable.

I don’t actually think Jaguar is hurt by its prior reputation for unreliability. As you hint, sister company Land Rover has an equal or greater record for unreliability, and manages to do just fine. What hurts Jaguar is that its current crop of cars don’t do anything as well as the Germans, and aren’t particularly…

Working for a rental car company in the late 90's/early aughts, I still have a sore spot in my heart from the shovelware GM was lazily tossing out at the time, and it influences my decisions still to this day. However, I think things have changed, especially under Mary Barra’s leadership, and GM is actually putting…

Hyundai and Kia.

Oh Great. A Slide Show that is also a Tesla ad.

Back when I was a teen I thought it would have been cool to apply a piece of chrome diagonally on the grill of a Dodge Dynasty (process it...). I do remember decades ago seeing a photo somewhere of a late-80's FWD A-body Buick Century with fake kidney grills applied.

The concept was smart, the execution was horrible. All they had to do was make it look slightly attractive from the outside