True, but seeing as 2001 came out in 1968, I'm not sure that helps. Would Lucas have been able to make Star Wars without 2001 coming before?

Fair enough. Personally, I'd be happier watching Serenity these days, but I still think Terminator's a more important film.

I didn't say they shouldn't. I was referring to a campaign on Whedonesque to vote for River Tam whoever she was up against in a "who would win in a fight". It was, frankly, ridiculous.

You say potato, I say... Serenity's Space Western; Blade Runner is Future Noir and WoK is Fantasy Island - in space! (OK; I'm pushing it with that one...)

I take it you weren't here for the River Tam bloodfest, then? Serenity's a great film, but taken out of the context of the series it doesn't stand up. Terminator, while dated, is a great film with a brilliant conceit.

You could just ask why the Star Wars fanboys have a blinkered and exclusive view of what constitutes good sci-fi?

Well, in Star Trek's alt-universe, Voyager 6 became V-ger, so there's nothing to say they hadn't developed a better propulsion system by the time of its launch...

Reminds me of this...

I would have thought THIS would be standing between you and the lovely Danica...

It had its moments and the production team were clearly putting their hearts and souls into it (the whole pub was decked-out with sly nods to comics and comic culture). It didn't really have enough time to get into its stride properly, but I enjoyed it a lot at the time.

Or No Heroics, that lasted for just one 6 episode run in the UK.

Cheeky.

Amen to that. Hopefully all the old fogeys who'll vote for Metropolis are sleeping in at the retirement home...

What you mean is we don't share your taste.

#doublepost

Just out of interest, what's your evidence for coming to the conclusion that it WILL become as bad as Chernobyl? Qualifications? Interviews you can cite? Anything?

The last one could easily be the ship from R Type.

Yeah... although isn't Jedi a religion here?

My girlfriend with her masters in English literature (specialising in print culture and publishing) is loudly gnashing her teeth beside me...

Dial down on the vitriol, ok? Most people here are working on a pretty poor working knowledge, admittedly (myself included), but the vast majority are attempting to have a reasoned discussion and overall seem to think