I'm talking about someone who is actually worthless in that context not someone who's been maniuplated to feel worthless by an abusive partner.

Just a few of things: It was 1am here yes I was responding quickly via my phone. My "care to provide a link" was as linguistically confrontational as "quantifiable data… Its fun" which OK perhaps you weren't aware of how snarky it sounded. Reason I mentioned the age of the studies was because the gender pay gap for…

Well the CEO stuff is pretty much irrelevant but the second study looks interesting, all stuff from around 8 to 10 years ago though. Thanks, I'll have a further read around.

Oh ok, I really hadn't seen any studies that compared fat men and fat women in terms of employment, care to provide a link?

Astounding comment, so well said and great advice.

I think it's we're talking at slightly cross purposes, I'm not speaking about people in relationships with an abusive partner, I'm talking about people who've never had any sexual contact with another person ever. Not someone who's been manipulated by a partner into having low self esteem but someone who is basically…

Yeh no worries at all, parts of the net are stupidly offensively oversensitive about Dunham.

Yep sorry, I just edited my post as I realised what you meant. Jorge Garcia was just the first youngish overweight male actor's name that popped into my head. Harry Crane works better or even better Bobby Moynihan who was already on girls.

Well I did also say sex because you're right that there's a huge difference between the two. I guess the only other thing is that I wasn't talking about someone in an abusive relationship who;s been broken down to the point they are so insecure they daren't leave so while it's obviously horrible it doesn't have a…

Well they're both overweight actors, that's all the equivalency I was really aiming for, obviously Jorge Garcia isn't a writer/director/producer.

Fair enough, perhaps I'm being to charitable to Dunham because I honestly think she's really funny. I suppose I just don't really notice the nakedness much anymore because, like you say, it's there a lot, To me it's become background noise at this point.

Sure, but I don't see how Dunham being naked evokes a sigh or a raised voice or sarky scorn, it's just skin.

Yes of course, I just mean that guys who maybe willing to have sex with a woman despite her being bitch can be doing so because they literally aren't getting sex at all. They may well complain about the fact some women go for bad boys as well but it's not directed at women who are similarly completely deprived of sex…

They likely have a set of problems that are just as bad, but differ somewhat.

Hmm, Wayne Knight is hardly Andre the Giant but he gets skeevy or loser characters all the time. And yes the creepy/pervert role may go to really huge men but jokes/disgusting characters just have to be fat.

Pam Poovey is a model now? Hotdamn.

Nah not really, fat guys are a joke or creepy/disguting/perverts (or all 3 sometimes!) in most media.

Those particular guys are probably pining for any women tbf, I know in my fat days when I had no possible hope of getting laid without paying for it I'd have had sex with a complete bitch if only to finally have sex.

Those guys moaning about women going for bad boys aren't the same ones bringing horrible women to social occasions though.

Nicely done.