My boyfriend and I literally answer every question we ask each other with "Stuff and Thangs"

Oh you should! Besides the overbearing music, it's held up really well. It's super 70's, but wonderfully so. Highly recommended.

I know! I'm trying to narrow down my million I use on the daily…

I've been rewatching Seinfeld recently,and I realized just how many concepts were named in that show that have become ubiquitous. "Regifting", "shrinkage"/"I was in the pool!", etc etc.

I've been toying with the idea that Elliot and Tyrell are the same person too!

She was introduced as a new person in Elliot's life the first time she appeared on the show (not sure if ep 1 or 2). It's a pretty significant twist to reveal that relationship, and that moment did a LOT to knock the audience out of their comfort of being sooooo sure about what's going on (like the fact that most of…

I'm starting to think Tyrell might be Elliot too…Haven't thought it through all the way yet, though.

"she said "You aren't Elliott, you're….. (voice cuts out right after she makes a noise that sounded like a D or a T).""
Tyrell?

Yeah it looks like there's a huge history between Tyrell and Elliot that we don't know yet. How did Tyrell know where he lived?

This is very exciting.

like most teenagers. :)

I feel like once the "have sex with me for your job" gauntlet is thrown, everything is loaded after that…

Honestly, I'm fuzzy on the details/timeline, I do remember cringing the first time they slept together because it definitely read as a coerced act to me. I may rewatch in the dead of winter and take a closer look at it all, because it's very interesting.

Great discussion though. I enjoyed it!

Agreeing to disagree is a scary concept to me when it comes to issues of consent, but these are all fictionalized characters so the whole thing is an academic exercise anyway.

That's where it gets murky. I feel like it definitely started out like that, but does that dynamic ever really end? It's all super complicated and hard to navigate.

You said he used transference and an argument to sleep together, which is a lie. Just because she is strong and comfortable with her sexuality doesn't mean she can't be coerced by someone who is an authority to her. She is a victim of rape and a TON of manipulation by Bill. Rape victims don't all have torn clothing…

But she's also a part of society where she is such a unicorn. And I can see a woman who is so revered as in control of her sexuality and "magical" and all that, can feel expected to perform for her boss. Just because she likes sex and has a good command over what she wants, doesn't mean she can't also be coerced. Just…

You just said it happened that way though, I was going on the points you brought up since I'm unable to recall specifics. This isn't about making me feel better, it's about acknowledging that coercion and rape doesn't always look like a masked stranger in an alleyway.

Threat is coercion. Him lying to her telling her she needs to sleep with him to avoid "transference" is coercion, and an abuse of his power being his boss and a doctor. Just because Gini initiated their first sexual contact, does not mean that she wasn't coerced. She's a smart woman with agency, but not above being…