It feels like this is like the millionth way of saying that cars have been so well made since the 90's, people prefer buying well equipped cars used to economy new ones.

It’s kind of surreal how much of a legacy like this WW2 still has even after 8 decades. This reminds me a bit of the SS Richard Montgomery in the Thames Estauary that’s just a massive bomb waiting to detonate - and it’s so damn unstable there’s nothing a modern, first world, nation with the most advanced technology…

Um, make fun of the people actually paying for this. If these dumbasses weren’t paying, this wouldn’t exist.

I don’t get the internal strife. You work for a large auto manufacturing concern. It’s not like Alfa created the Tonale without using Stellantis support. Engineering, parts, money, manufacturing... What percentage of the tonale is Stellantis corporate? More than a little. I get that Alfa needed a win, but Dodge needed…

Who pre-orders a sub $20,000 car?  These look like a good option if you need a car, but to plan to buy one in advance seems crazy to me.  

Oh my god, I don’t think I’ve heard a Livewire like that before. That’s so good

This doesn’t sound... great. I prefer the more TRON-like BMW and Harley Davidson versions of e-noise (I think Harley’s is real, not created, and like it regardless).

It’s a cool gimmick, but a gimmick nonetheless. I wish they’d just embrace their new EV identity. If Dodge wants V8 sounds, then they should keep making V8 coupes and sedans.

right but this:

To be fair regular fuel is just fuel with carbon captured through natural Earth processes and releasing carbon from the past.  I’m not saying its better just a matter of when and how the carbon was captured.

You poor deluded fellow...all you have are opinions while I’ve got proof.

The modern muscle car is an insanely overpriced poorly built unibody SUV made of the cheapest dogshit materials known to man, that looks as bad as it drives, is targeted specifically at boomers, makes the roads objectively more dangerous and worse for normal people, and that only the worst freaks in the world even noti…

Not necessarily. They also built nearly 3 million 1st gen Mustangs... and those have gone up in value over the past 25 years. These days if you want one in decent/drivable condition without rust holds, you have to spend at least $12,000 for a basic 6 cyl one... and more if you want one with nice paint or a better…

The 2nd gen Charger was the Chrysler B-body: Coronet, Super Bee, Road Runner, GTX, Belvedere--they’re all the same unibody.

No, it’s the ‘69. The ‘68's itty-bitty round tail lights suck.

Welcome back from that coma! You are not going to like a bunch of the stuff that’s happened since 2001.

I can understand not liking the movies, but my man, as a car guy, how can you not know who that is, the movies have made over 6 billion.

Yeah, chopping the top makes this thing look like a literal whale 

I disagree, I think a topless version makes the car look even fatter than it normally does. 

Problem: Making the Challenger a convertible from the factory either means making it heavier than the sun, or making it somehow even less safe than it already is.