No trade in, just buying new. You’re point was that the new cars people were buying were depreciating more than the $4500 they received for their shitbox. My counter point was some people like being the first owner and don’t care if the car depreciates.

Oh I fully realize how much my car will depreciate. I just don’t care. I’m buying a new Camaro knowing full well that its going to be worth at least $10k less by time I trade it in. To me its worth it to be the only owner of the vehicle.

And? Some people don’t care about that.

Oh Snap!

There are still other countries that have environmental standards that are getting stricter. Just because the US might loosen their regulations doesn’t mean the rest of the world will. I’m not sure how much Tesla sells outside of the US but for companies that have a strong presence in Europe or China they aren’t going…

Came here to pretty much say this. I have a 2.0 Turbo in my car and I can get 36mpg. “I slam on the pedal and get bad fuel economy.” No shit! Stay out of the boost if you want good economy moron.

I keep seeing all these replies and makes me think that maybe Ferrari is actually in the business of convincing people ugly cars look good.

Yeah, I was incredibly taken back. If you really want to cringe at what some people don’t know (or think they know), then check out r/justrolledintotheshop on reddit.

eh, maybe what enthusiasts think, but general public maybe not so much. I’ve definitely turned some head with my Malibu. Took it to extended family over the holiday. They were blown away by it. I’ve even had a guy approach me in a parking lot and pretty much re-enacted those dumb commercials on the spot. General car…

It’s definitely on my radar as well. I’ll probably end up with two of them because my fiancee also really wants one.

I’ve taken some skid pad training. Crazy how much of an impact having ABS has on maintaining control.

Saw a guy in a Grand Caravan with a similar situation. The back end was bouncing up and down like the highway was a bounce house.

Their interior is just way to spartan for me. The more I learn about it, the more I hate.

They would have to pay me to take it. I can count on one hand how many FCA products I’d consider owning. The 200/Dart didn’t make it onto the hand. BTW the hand would be missing 3 fingers.

I drive the new Malibu and I regularly pack 3 6ft people in it for lunch runs. They’re always surprised how much room it has. Not sure how accommodating it would be for a Great Dane, though. I have the 2.0T and get about 30mpg doing 400mi of highway a week. Also, comes as a hybrid.

Caution Coffee Phone is Hot Distracting.

Why bother? Raw HP does nothing if its in a bloated pig of a car. Compare the 2017 ZL1 Camaro and 2017 Hellcat Charger, roughly the same price. The Camaro has 57 less hp but is 500lbs lighter. 0-60 the Charger is only a tenth of a second faster. I bet Ford and GM could easily close the gap with just chassis…

It looks like they carried over the front from the LS500 and just pasted the Toyota bit over it. Just all around terrible.

That sounds about right. I was trying to get a Lyft from SeaTac to downtown once and was rejected a few times after having my initial request accepted.

Almost seems like he wanted to beat on someone. Why accept the fare if you didn’t want to drive to NJ? Correct if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Uber and Lyft drivers see where passengers want to go before accepting a fare.