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C. Rhodes (croguesberg)
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Yeah, the bus system is problematic in the extreme, particularly when it comes to a) the weather and b) the neighborhood segregation and lack of service in poor/ethnic minority areas.
...I'm not gonna argue public transit because I think CTA versus MTA is a bit apples to oranges (personal opinion, and I'll admit I only ever visited NYC so I don't feel entirely qualified to compare them).
All good points. It's easy to forget how far things have come in the last few decades, I think that's why disappointed is really the way I'm feeling right now.
I think much like with any entertainment, once the words/statement/whatever is out in the world, the creator has to take responsibility for how their creation is interpreted. It might not be what he meant, but given how many people read it that way, it was clearly a break down in communication on top of being…
To be honest the primary reason I engaged with you was because of the tone policing nature of your comments. I don't think it's fair to tell people what to be angry about or how to be angry about it. I think you and I agree on the core points of what we would want in terms of better behavior and more nuanced…
I don't see anyone piling on him. I see people saying he should apologize and revisit his opinion (some of them are using harsh language) but no one is calling for him to get fired or mobbed or lynched. Not seriously, anyway. And judging by the recommends, there are FAR more people who are ok with him getting a…
Exactly. I guess I'm more disappointed in him than angry, honestly. And worried that there's more transphobia in the LGBQ parts of the LGBTQ community than I thought. :/
...but he specifically said that male bodies (even trans women) in women's clothing isn't okay. And that's not just "we need more different bodies on the runway" that's "we need non-male bodies on the runway and I include trans women in that category." That's what he said. And he should be held accountable for…
Because calling them mocking names earns you respect? And proves that you aren't a TERF?
I think people are pissed at him for using trans people's bodies to talk about his frustration with the fashion industry, and there are a lot of people here who are arguing precisely what you say is the point. Besides which, his quote can easily be read to say "anyone with a man's body doesn't belong in women's…
And what makes that a bad thing? That a systematically oppressed minority subjected to more violence and erasure than many other groups get some attention on the issues that matter to them? Why is it so wrong that a group of people fight for equal treatment and respect? What's bad about them getting angry in their…
Look, I know Gunn's history of speaking about body diversity, and I'm STILL pissed at him for this because it's a harmful way of speaking about trans people and as a group they already suffer enough violence and erasure. Am I not allowed to have that nuanced emotion of liking one of his views and being upset by…
I was on board with most of what you said, but the implication that all fashion designers are gay men (or maybe straight women; many are, but not all) is just the kind of generalization that most people are frustrated with Gunn for making.
But he's thinking about it publicly in a way that's erasing and harmful to a systematically oppressed minority...does he still get a pass? If this was him talking to friends over coffee, that's one thing. Getting interviewed, something completely different.