You probably won’t reach it on the street. We have roller coasters which accelerate faster than the Veyron, and people do that for amusement, lol.

With those specs, it’s a full-on supercar that breaks the rules on how the internal combustion engine world has ever categorized anything.

Agreed, I think electric is a bit counter-intuitive to what much of the car world has been groomed to believe over a century. AWD and doubling the size of the motor (battery), doesn’t come with the drawbacks that ICE vehicles have. You don’t have the drivetrain losses, the weight stays low and you don’t suffer the…

I think the original guy should be hung for calling it ugly, but I do agree, it would’ve been more interesting if it was like the prototype and carried the 12.

So when you say one car can’t perform like the cars it competes against, what exactly are you referencing? Either you’re talking about mechanical performance, or you’re just dreaming up what you do and don’t like about cars, which literally carries no substance. Fact is, the closer we move to objectively measuring the…

You keep using the word arbitrary, when it doesn’t apply. The track times debunked your claim that the IS F couldn’t perform with the other cars in its class. The measure of mechanical performance, and not your subjective opinion over what feels nice, brought a measure of needed objectivity to your incredibly biased…

Nope. There were no major performance revisions to the M3 in the years listed, otherwise it would warrant retesting. With the IS F there were (both an LSD addition and then suspension revision), which is why the 2011 was posted...and we see that it brawls with the best of them. “Better drivers cars and involvement” is…

Like I originally said, it’s enough to show that for most people, pushing any of these cars will be more about the driver than the car. And yes, the black series is much faster...it’s also much more expensive with nearly 100hp over the cars in the 60k range...  

Nope. IS F ran slightly ahead of the M3 by 2011, outdid the more expensive 2012 C63, and all three dogged the heavy RS4.

Yeah, I’m all about traveling with as little hassle as possible. Airport security is annoying enough, footwear that quickly kicks on and off and not having to put on my belt while grabbing at item trays, is nice.

Yes, someone will be interested in passing, depending on my own speed. Counter to your point, though, most people who exceed the limit find their taste for speeding stops around 10-15 above; not a contest to outrun the driver ahead.

I was discussing stopping distances under normal day-to-day driving situations. What you’re describing already happens, right now. Only with fully autonomous vehicles, you have a reliable defensive response, that’s recording nearly every detail of a driving instance, instead of some unpredictable human. 

“and slow down slightly via engine breaking”

In residential areas? I don’t think there is any good reason to. By the time you add in traffic lights and other control devices, you don’t save much time, anyway.

I’d imagine all of these theoretical situations would mirror or extend from what happens, now. Either that, or we’ll have some odd situation which leads to some high profile court case, that ultimately dictates how the police should respond to violations outside the owners responsibility.

But you left out the best part!

“The impulse to go faster than the people ahead of you, to get there just a touch sooner will never go away. The impulse to go faster than the people ahead of you, to get there just a touch sooner will never go away. The need/desire to hurry...can you train an entire society to ignore that innate impulse?”

His example may apply to something like threshold braking, where you’re in an actual emergency or trying to measure a stopping record, but if you’re doing any type of passive/normal daily driving (the type these autonomous cars will be doing), braking distances won’t deviate that much. For the same reason people don’t…

Good point. People will eventually learn certain techniques to spot/deal with self-driving cars, then they’ll abuse the poor things.

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