So teenagers and millionaires aren’t allowed to make a mockery of one of ‘the most beautifully dark artists of all time’....but you are...because you busked? Being down and out (or poor or old)* doesn’t give you a special artistic license. I mean no offense.

I watched The Voice for some inexplicable reason last night and by God if I didn’t already love Rihanna, I love her even more. I don’t care if her niceness is feigned/for the show, the woman is warm and sweet as fuck to everyone.

I was still ugly crying as i walked out of the theater after the Amy movie. Was meeting friends for dinner afterwards... had to wear my sunglasses like some fucking starlet. LOL

After witnessing too many of these to count - I agree with the anti-ultimatumers and promote having an honest conversation about life paths..

#4 is not an ultimatum. It’s a discussion.

Look I understand marriage isn’t for everyone. But can we cut it with the “marriage is just a piece of paper” crap? That may be true for some people, but it’s the case for everyone. It can be very important legally and socially, and there’s a reason the denial of that right was so painful to people and people fight…

I friend of mine really wanted to get married to her boyfriend. He said he was OK with the idea but he gave her other types of ultimatums. Oh, when you lose 40 pounds, then I’ll marry you. Oh, do this thing and then I’ll marry. He lead her on for several years with these ultimatums for marriage.

I am not looking for the “ring and party”, in fact the idea sounds no fun due to my social anxiety issues. I am not opposed to marriage. But this situation has really pushed my buttons. My mothers take on this is “you know you are just friends, right? If something were to happen to him you would not even be a part of…

Honestly, I’m totally cool with the idea of a woman proposing. I just think shaming women who want to be proposed *to*, or feel they maybe need to force through some kind of decision (with an ultimatum) shouldn’t be shamed or told they’re somehow un-feminist or “chill.” The chill thing drives me CRAZY, like we’re only…

The problem is, men have the luxury of time that women do not. In my experience, men who date women for years and years and don’t marry them often propose to their next partner ... who is coincidentally 10 years or so younger than their long-term GF.

This just seems like such a fraught process. Unless you are lucky enough to be living the fairy tale ending, no matter what you do, you’re wrong.

Can’t believe I had to scroll so far to hear someone say this. As always, no matter what women do - we’re still the ‘bad’ ones. I’ve been on the exact opposite side of this problem - most men I’ve dated have wanted to marry me. But instead of people piling on him I got friends pressuring me to say yes. I left all…

I’ll be honest, marriage/proposals are one of those areas where I’m actually baffled by the usual feminist responses. When I get the advice that I, as the woman, should be the one to propose, it often feels like the feminist giving me that advice is somehow ignoring *all other areas* in which women are already…

I kind of disagree here. (Full disclosure/background: Married for 5 years after being together for 7; we discussed getting married, but no “ultimatum”—both just waiting for a time we felt was right given our life circumstances).

So.... in other words, her proposing to you wouldn’t have worked either, because you didn’t actually want to marry her. I frequently hear advice about how, if you’re feeling antsy as a woman you should just go ahead and propose, when it seems like the reason the GUY isn’t proposing is because he, ya know, doesn’t want…

This is different though because from what you’ve written above you actually want to marry her and she is the one holding off for clearly stated reasons. I think the jezebl author is being a bit naive to the predicament many women find themselves in which is that they are with a long term boyfriend who claims he is…

Perhaps it makes me a feminist traitor, but I refuse to ask. If it gets to the point where I feel antsy, and the boyfriend doesn’t look like he’s heading towards proposing, and yet issuing a warning shot of “Hey I want to get married, if you don’t, I need to head out to find what I want from a relationship” is off the…

Yes. If he’s not asking, he’s not into it. Our social conditioning has not changed that much. Men are still trained to go for what they want, and do.

Well, that could also depend on age. I haven’t read the original article, but I’m 29 now. You bet your ass if I’m with someone for a year and a half at this point in my life, I’m going to start thinking about marriage. It would’ve been much different when I was 23.

I wish I had given an ultimatum, then maybe we could have broken up then and there before years of lying, cheating, and a divorce.