All right, then it was every version of ENDA before an including 2007, as well as every state equal rights act preceding ENDA and many since. And I do count all previous versions of ENDA as cutting out trans people, because of their record of deliberately excluding them from equal rights bills prior to that point.…

It’s fine, some of my initial ire has worn off so I’ll probably be slower, too.

Can we go ahead and admit that forcing women to self-abort is the very definition of an undue burden?

David Carter is an example of someone who forwarded that narrative, but here’s where it started:

I’d have asked to be seated as far from Sheen as possible lest I somehow end up talking to him. If anything, finding out that he was positive made me hate him less.

I was about to say. I would have requested a dressing room as far away from Charlie Sheen as possible. But it would have had nothing to do with his HIV status.

Considering both the actions at Stonewall and the fact that the form of gay civil rights activism borrowed heavily from the black civil rights movement of the same era, I think it’s very difficult to argue that gay men don’t — at the very least — owe a huge debt of gratitude to trans women of color. That this debt of…

Trans women of color are absolutely owed “much” credit for their work in moving the LGBT rights movement forward, and they are the first to be thrown under the bus. If anyone’s being intellectually dishonest here, it’s you. You’re contributing to the erasure of trans women from the narrative by pretending that you…

White cisgender gay men have access to leadership positions, higher pay than women and people of color, more media representation than any other group of LGBTQIA+ people, and the kind of implicit trust from strangers that societal privilege can afford.

That’s bull shit. I gave you a concrete example of cis white gays using trans women of color in exactly that way by using their help, not acknowledging them and then erasing them from history. And you won’t even acknowledge that it was shitty because you’re too busy defending the sort of exclusionary, privilege…

For your edification:

Yes, actually, you have. You’re saying that my statement doesn’t leave room for the accomplishments of white guys — marginalized throughout history, of course — because I said that MUCH of something can be attributed to other people. If we ate much of the turkey, is there still turkey left for other people? Yes, there…

Do you not understand what “much” means? Or why the contributions of trans people would be specifically relevant to a conversation about LGB people trying to kick them out of the community? Particularly when trans people are responsible for what is widely considered to constitute the single most important event…

I’m honestly not sure, and hope others will weigh in. It’s a complex issue that there seems to be a lot of disagreement about even within the T of the LGBTQ community — I know Kat Blaque’s facebook page (she’s a good trans activist to follow) hosted a dialog not so long ago about the privilege of early vs. late…

I was thinking of moments like that, too. But to be fair, those can happen with cis women, as well. A lot of cis women buy into the patriarchy, too.

That’s all I’m saying. He’s directing his ire at the wrong target in the wrong context.

No, I don’t think it is inherently bigoted for any person (cis lesbian or otherwise) to refuse to sleep with someone who has a penis, or on the grounds that they have a penis. I leave open the question of whether bigotry is implicated in any individual case. But I think the cotton ceiling is used to refer to many…

Please just reread your prior comments if you honestly don’t think you said it was problematic to tell someone that not being open to sleeping with trans people is bigoted, because telling people that not having sex with certain people is bigoted creates a moral obligation to sleep with people you don’t want to.

Basically, you haven’t answered how telling people that it’s bigoted not to be open to sleeping with any member of a protected group is problematic.

And you’re still not addressing the point. Even if I oversimplified by not specifically addressing openness — which you seem to think is still a violation of consent — you have yet to answer the question of whether or not this means you can’t call out bigotry in attraction in any case. Because the problem you refer to…