Is this less gross than when men objectify women, then? I'm not trolling or an MRA, I'm just saying.

I've already conceeded that rape culture exists in the context of prisons and many frats.

but saying that it permeates all of american culture is just ridiculous.

I literally fucking said all the the responsibility is on the rapist and you turn around and say that I am saying the victim is responsible.

thats a strawman.

almost all of it is strawmanning and name calling and shaming tactics, I dont consider that to be conversation.

I've said like 9 times that my ancedotal evidence doesnt prove anything.

Wow strawman much? I never said women were asking for it or deserved to be raped. and I never victim blamed.

I pointed out that victim blaming exists for all crimes and that doesnt constitute a culture that endorses those crimes.

I'm not a man but thanks... Also how is a comment about false accusations on a post about false accusations derailing? Also the fact that you call them lies is cute.

I am in no way suggesting that the rape of men is not real. just that feminists generally dont give a fuck about male victims so their conception of rape culture wouldnt include them.

Because we all know women are incapable of thinking for themselves and realizing the facts right? So it must be impossible that I as someone who thinks for themselves and acknowledges the facts would be a woman right?

fucking ridiculous.

thats such a terribly sexist thing to say that men need to be taught not to rape.

holy shit strawman much? I never said that peoples bodies were a commodity or that the suffering of losing money and being raped were on par. Nor did I say that women were asking for it.

And yes all crimes have a "victim blaming" aspect to it.

"#Rapecultureiswhen we make a million lists of "prevention tips" for WOMEN but fail to teach men not to rape."

how about this one
#RapeCultureIsWhen we completely ignore male victims and female rapists.

"#RapeCultureIsWhen people deny or make fun of the fact than adult men can also be victims of sexual violence."
according…

whos experience am I invalidating?

You miss my point, it's simply that I don't accept lived experiences as evidence of rape culture.

most of the statistics are about how often rape happens.

showing me statistics of how often burglaries happens does not in my mind prove that there is a culture that condones burglaries.

no it doesn't. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I mean I may be wrong but you would have to provide evidence of patriarchy... and there isn't any. but I mean by all means show me evidence of patriarchy in the west.

"I disagree with you simply because you are coming across as that one girl who calls the rape victim a cry baby. "
where did I call rape victims cry babies?

so far I'm a misogynistic transphobic rapist, rape apologist, rape culture perpetrator, who is a man and a liar who tells women they're liars and calls rape victims…

imagine a man on a busy subway with thousands of dollars in his hands, all $100 bills, sitting there counting it. the doors open and someone grabs the money and runs out. He tells his friends what happens whats the first thing they're going to say.

"wow you fucking idiot why did you have all the money out in the open"
th…

so many of these are misleading. For example the number of kits not tested? why do you think they're not tested because the women who completed them didnt want to press charges for whatever reason. it's not some evil patriarchal thing where some guy is like muhahahaha we wont test these!!

And the CDC study that said…

my initial post was basically asking for proof of rape culture that wasnt lived experiences. I didnt bring up what my lived experiences were unless someone asked. they asked I gave it to them, thats not derailing.

Secondly I haven't denied statistics, I've merely pointed out that the statistic given was unreliable for…

yes women's bodies ARE property, everyone has property in themselves, everyone owns themselves. Women's bodies are property of the women themselves. Just like your body is your property and my body is my property and john's body is john's property. is that controversial?

Secondly, um no I'm not actively engaging in…