And, similarly, fuck The Pixies.

I thought quite the opposite. Another A.V. 'thinkpiece' about a song that doesn't deserve it. This writer is REALLY fascinated by the "gorgeous" melody (in reality a stock pop melodic phrase Kelly himself used repeatedly) and bullshit cliched placeholder lyrics that he's desperate to ascribe deep meaning to.

No.

Kinda, yeah..but the giggle clinched it.

Zzzzzzzz

No—but not EVERYTHING is rock and roll, either. Gotta draw a line somewhere, right? Otherwise, all popular music of the past 70 years qualifies.

Nope. Not to be confused with that at all.

"Cecily." But yes, this was the line. I wanted to make out with her immediately.

"Before"
"Steamrolls"

The writer was saying the board SEES them as the former and not the latter, which they are. I did a brief double-take too; the phrasing can be confusing. He meant they are pioneers but they're dismissed as effeminate 80s non-trad rock Brits.

John Mellencamp and Daryl Hall and John Oates don't have MUCH more musicianship and songwriting chops and musicality and versatility and creativity and VALIDITY than Mariah Carey?

Most (older, black) folks who own Marvin Gaye or Mariah Carey or Aretha Franklin or Janet Jackson albums don't listen to any white rock/alternative bands. Those singers were related to what rock was 25-45 years ago, but their sounds aren't similar to anything most people have viewed as rock for a very long time. When…

I would argue none of those artists has "one most well-known song", and, further, if they do, that you didn't necessarily name any of them correctly.

Thank you for saying everything I was going to here.

Perhaps because it's alt-rock?

I like a lot of Morrissey solo, but no.

Time's Up is MUCH > Vivid. Fishbone made two great records and a lot of bullshit.

"Oates"

"irrefutabley"?

Rock isn't very fertile or relevant anymore..but what genre is?