Cheap prop? Seriously? Go to the Smithsonian and tell me it looks like a cheap prop:

Wow. It’s impossible to distinguish this satire from the real thing. Great work.

WHAT??? Skip seeing the original Enterprise??? Are you the kid in elementary school who used to trade his pudding cups for more carrots?

Look I don’t see an updated aesthetic as a retcon in and of itself.... retcons occur when you go to the origin of things (see D.C Comics constantly blowing up Krypton.... a different Kypton every time). TMP isn’t a retcon to me.... in universe explanations for most of it can be chalked up to the ten years between…

I’d be down for that. There’s a subplot in the first Discovery novel where Pike’s Number One and Saru go on an away mission together, and they establish a neat rapport.

Yes. In all the newer TV shows, the visual style of the era was respected. When Scotty goes and visits the bridge of the TOS Enterprise with Picard, it is the visual style of the TOS era. When Archer runs into a Constitution Class ship from the future, it looks like the Constitution Class from the TOS era.

If they were clever, they’d have the Enterprise’s Number One (Majel Barrett’s character in The Cage) get promoted and take over as Captain of Discovery.

It’s different tonally from the previous shows, but it’s very much intended for fans. They drop good, well researched references every episode (not too obnoxiously, they generally make sense).

I’m greyed (in every sense), but come on. Anyone using SJW in a post has already lost the argument.

Do you know what a retcon is? In universe differences between TOS/TMP are explained by the years between both series. It’s later. The Enterprise has been refitted. Characters have moved on/changed because of the passage of time away from each other. Spock was seeking to purge himself of emotions. Kirk had been…

Honestly, I (along with many others, I guess) called the Enterprise popping up as a season ender as soon as the pilot aired. It’s just basic cheap fanservice 101, and judging by some reactions here and elsewhere, it’s enough to make this finale the greatest thing in the universe for some people.

This episode was written and directed by Akiva Goldsman (who is also an executive producer on the show). And I know Goldsman has an Oscar on his shelf, but this had a lot of Goldsman’s tendency to just say fuck it and connect plot points and not worry if it makes a damn bit of sense how the story gets there or care…

(so not sure where my comment went.... Good ole Kinja)

I am just now actually watching Discovery after reading all the reviews and comments. A couple thoughts:

Maybe Mudd has an arc similar to Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman, only in reverse. He starts off evil but gets browbeaten by Stella until he’s a loveable rogue.

Since no one else seems to have mentioned it I’m not too fond of the Tellarite redesign. Not that this species has necessarily had the best designs in the series but the large teeth aren’t quite working. Did we learn nothing from the Naussicans (thank SFDebris for that one).

The problem is evidence. There is no evidence that Mudd tried to kill anyone because those timelines no longer exist. The only person with any actual memories of the events is Paul Stamets, and his claim of being able to see 80-something previous incarnations of time is not likely to hold up in a court of law.

What…

No, it wouldn’t, because he didn’t actually attempt to murder anyone. There is no legal basis for charging him with murder, attempt or otherwise, because those events no longer happened. It would only be the word of a convicted mutineer and a potentially unstable scientist with a dubious claim that could convict him.…

You have to wonder if this would still seem so ends-justify-the-means if “Ash is Voq!” hadn’t appeared on every fan forum months ago.