I remember Bennifer 1.0 and it did seem like they were really into each other but the press circus around them was fucking bonkers and I totally buy that it put a lot of undue stress on them and drove them apart. I think most people have that person that they wish they could have had a do-over with, so seeing them get…

If you want people to learn, you’re going to have be more tolerant, more articulate, and less judgmental. The people in this discussion are seeking or offering clarification on a topic that probably isn’t as clear to us as it may be to you. I think most of us are striving to honor whatever pronouns people want used…

Because some of us appreciate the escapism of the real housewives. If you don’t watch it, then all you’re going to see are the worst of the women’s behavior but you still clicked on this article and commented on it, which really answers you’re own question for why they’re covering this horseshit. If you watch…

Yeah, it’s so simple. Everybody knows that ‘my pronouns are she/they’ means sometimes one, sometimes the other, but never just one, and never she/they together.

Right, public via her social media post(s) and referenced in the article. But WHAT ISN’T PUBLIC IS WHETHER SHE/THEY MEANS ‘SHE/THEY’ OR SOMETIMES SHE AND SOMETIMES THEY OR WHEN IT SHOULD BE SHE AND WHEN IT SHOULD BE THEY.

Except you just wrote a comment where you only referred to Halsey as they, and no instance of referring to Halsey as she. So does that mean you’ve broken Halsey’s rules?

lol. I really don’t care enough about Halsey or 99.9% of people to do this much work. Samara Oscroft, I sincerely hope you are doing very dry comedy - it’s really hard to tell these days.

Man, every time I see dorit’s name, I add an o to the end.

Not sure it’s warranted to say “leave trans people alone”, I think Halsey is a dickhead and have for a long time, I don’t see where I criticized trans people in general and I never would.

Thank you, your insight and take is far more important to me than Halsey’s. Your final line is what I walked away with on all of this, but I wasn’t sure that as a cis straight male I wasn’t truly understanding the hassle she had. She/they seems like...alot...to deal with. Congrats on the baby, maybe that should be of…

Thank you for this perspective. I was feeling the same way about this, that it’s a bit out of line to calling it misgendering. As you said, if an individual says they’re comfortable with feminine pronouns, why be upset when referred to as such? And if they aren’t comfortable with feminine pronouns, then just use the…

Yeah I’m a trans woman and calling this “misgendering” feels kind of insulting, honestly. If you say you’re comfortable with two sets of pronouns, you can’t act like it’s this massively egregious thing for people to default to one or the other. I get that people always defaulting to “cis” pronouns feels like they’re…

“She/they” indicates that the person uses either. Halsey has indicated that they want the press to use both pronouns.

If you tell me “I’m comfortable with ‘she’ or ‘they’” that tells me I’m allowed to call you either. If you want me to alternate, that’s fine, but you have to clarify. I don’t see how they disrespected her wishes by calling her something she claims she is comfortable with. That’s not misgendering. 

Step 1: Issue absurdly confusing edicts about what you want to be called.

Agreed that it’s nice, but I’m not sure why not doing so is considered “deliberate disrespect” on par with outright misgendering someone, especially when they said they were “fine with either pronouns.”

No! It’s on us to read people’s minds (or deep dive their Instas) to first know what pronouns they prefer, and also to know which are to be used in different contexts.

I feel like this was a miscommunication. Halsey said, “She/They”, so Allure assumed “she” would be fine. I don’t think this was an intentional slight, but perhaps I’m missing something.

I don’t consider myself ignorant about gender identity and pronouns, but this is the first time I’ve seen someone who said that they prefer “she/they” (or “he/they”) pronouns get upset because only one of the two pronouns was used. I genuinely thought it meant they were comfortable with either of them, not that it was…

Honest question: Is this kind of switching a normal request?