Yeah, it's been done too often, too recently… Just trying to come up with something that links them other than their skill set.

Do we know for sure Jennifer McMahon is dead?

It must be something to do with their military, special ops, FBI, etc., training and abilities. They are somehow seen as the hope of the resistance. Could there be some time travel element?

(And, I know… my point is there are gay actors of high caliber who can fill the parts)

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(See Ian McKellan and Derek Jacobi in Vicious…. )

I developed a case of sciatica while driving alone between Texas and Florida…. Right up at the top of the thigh just under the butt cheek and down the leg. It is impossible to sit comfortably, to be still…. And I am quite tall with long legs…. That was the most miserable road trip of my life. After multiple falls over…

Yeh, I didn't find the scene on the floor all that funny.

I just feel like they are caricatures of a gay male couple. At least where Frankie and Grace feel silly, it's because they feel like caricatures of the actors themselves, not the roles they are playing. They feel like a self-parody of Jane and Lily and it's funny.

Sol and Frankie have far more chemistry than Sol and Robert. Hell, even Robert and Grace have more chemistry… and they don't even seem to like one another.

I love this show, but I really don't care about the husbands. I don't like the characters, I don't buy their relationship, I hate their drama. I wouldn't mind if they were phased out.

I posed this query elsewhere and got the response, "well Rick always wins…" Um… No, he doesn't. The Saviors kicked all their asses and the only thing Rick & Co did was kill off the coolest Savior character of all, played by my friend, Chris Berry…. dammit… and get a bunch of Rick's crew killed.

I was guessing they would be the ones to discover Norma in the basement, sort of like Lila and Sam, but I don't know how to reconcile that with the trailer.

Why did they assume these women would be less reasonable than the Garbage Pail kids, to such a degree that the first option is, not to ask them to join them, like they did with Ezekiel, but to dominate them and steal their shit?

No, the greater good argument presupposes that he will win this war against Negan, though all evidence appears to the contrary… so why should this group, whose experience is that all their men were killed or taken by the Saviors, be thankful to them for what would look to them like a suicide mission?

Ever chivalrous.

Well, they didn't show Negan terrorizing them and killing all their menfolk….

Re-read what I said. I am not defending them.

Yeah, that's why I said "looks like"… she's been away for a while and they are painting her as the new honest and pure leader of Hilltop….

I kinda thought showing that the Norma personality really isn't a Norma personality, but a different one posing as Norma didn't quite work. That's where the ghost dad concern comes in. I think it works better when it's Norma taking over rather than some personality that looks like Norma directing him. Going back to…