“make getting into the correct gear such a nightmare!”

No, what is “terrifying” is so many Tesla sycophants acting as if their pathetic Level 2 robocar code and sensors will guide their car with the aplomb of a nonexistent Level 5 robocar. IE: putting that much faith into a robocar system which is woefully inadequate.

Kia is really swallowing their pride with the EV6. Hope it doesn’t leave them empty inside. 

Here in Finland less than a quarter of cars have AWD and it snows everywhere. It’s not an issue unless you are an idiot.

55kW charging is an issue for road trips, but for most people with charging at home it’s not really an issue 350 days of the year. It will still make an excellent commuter car with very low running costs, that is pretty comfortable.

“To them it is an identity, to me it is a car.”

The literal leader of Cherokee Nation says its not OK. Its not OK. Your girlfriend doesn’t speak for her tribe, and sure as hell doesn’t speak for the Cherokee. You don’t get to decide what is offensive. The people who do get to decide have said outright they aren’t thrilled with the use of their name.

How much longer…

This.

No I’m not native, which is why I have been saying that the Cherokee are the only one who get to decide if a use of Cherokee is offensive.

Change name. Problem solved.

Next.

As someone who has driven four Cherokees, and nothing but Jeeps for the past decade-plus: good. Why not? Seriously, what’s the harm in changing the names of these products? I’ll go debadge my XJ right now if it makes someone’s life easier, or makes them happier. The Cherokee name matters more to Cherokee people than…

“I am fairly liberal, but give me a break.”

What this does prompt is an interesting conversation about what it means to name something after a people, place, or entity in an non-offensive (or even laudatory) way as opposed to an offensive way. ‘Redskins’ is, point blank, a slur. There’s a reason it goes away. This is an interesting new sort of gray area. As far…

Ah, so you intended to be an asshole. Got it. Thank you for clearing that up.

You are intentionally misunderstanding things to support your point. It was no more acceptable for Pontiac to do it than for Jeep to do it. GM got away with it because, as I already said, the brand went defunct before the current social climate where people take this sort of appropriation more seriously. So the …

You’re equating Native Americans to animals. You’re part of the problem. 

Because Pontiac was ditched before we started actually having useful discussions about appropriating the names of oppressed minority groups to sell products?

Unless you are Cherokee, you don’t have a right to “call bullshit” on their feelings regarding the use of their tribe’s name to sell a product. You also don’t get to decide if something is derogatory to them or not.

Sounds like Jeep should go ahead do as asked. Plenty of place-names and vaguely American concepts to use instead. 

Change Jeep Cherokee back to Liberty and Grand Cherokee to Grand Liberty, boom, done, you’re welcome Stellantis.