But these two men were waiting for a friend/client, and didn’t want to order before he was there.

Saying things about black people as a group and saying things about white people as a group is not the same. Because of the systematic oppression of black people. Re: jokes, jokes at the expense of an oppressed group are not funny. Jokes at the expense of a powerful group may well be funny.

I’ll never, ever understand why they do this (the Fox “news”). I mean why?!? They always get into trouble and lose advertisers and the person they’re attacking gets more positive press and sympathy. Why not just *not say anything* about stories they don’t like?

The “it’s divisive” is a dead giveaway. It seems to be a code for “this seems to means that someone might not acknowledge my privileged position and might even blame me for something, better come up with something to shut them up quick!”. Men upset with #metoo are all about “divisiveness” too.

This is a good point. Certain types of people resent all attention other people get, but especially if they don’t readily identify with those getting the attention.

Agreed.

Sure, but my point is that if the law is explicitly written so that hate speech towards an ethnic or sexual minority group is not allowed, there would be little room for interpretation, especially after a couple precedent cases. And here (N. Europe), where we have that type of law, it’s the courts/judges that…

Haha! I once had a...slightly inappropriate password containing the names of two male characters from “Supernatural” as my work password, this was also automatically my work e-mail password. Someone hacked my account and published the password along with my e-mail address on some hacker site. Now my e-mail address…

I do understand this concern. But I believe that some sort of wording of “it’s illegal to verbally incite violence / engage in hate speech against an ethnic *group* in relation to their ethnic origin/nationality or a group of people in relation to their sexual orientation” would avoid those dangers. Yoi just need to…

Perha. It’s just that I’ve followed the discussion in Europe from before the right-wing populist parties emerged, and when they did emerge, many people were like “this is good, now these people have a legitimate channel for their opinions so they won’t be so angry/violent/wanting to hurt others!” -however, every time…

Political satire is the new “it was a joke!”

1) that’s absolutely true, but I’m not sure how it is related to this discussion.

I think my country’s law is actually worded so as to ban “inciting violence towards an ethnic group/sexual minority”. So perhaps it’s not that different from US law.

Most european hate speech laws ban hate speech against an ethnic *group*. They definitely do not ban you from critizising politicians, even politicians as a group.

Sorry to jump into the discussion in the middle of it, but there are hate speech laws that are very different from those enforced by totalitarian governments, and that are enforced by governments of for instance Scandinavian countries (that are, arguably, least corrupted in the world and most concerned with freedom of…

Jesus, what does the age of consent have to do with a grown man grooming a teen to be his sex toy? I hate people.

Relatedly, some of my fb friends report about each and every place they enter. Like “X.X. is in Department Store Z.” “Y.Y. is in cafe W”. I used to think there was a story there to be revealed, like they were gonna buy something really cool (also uninteresting to others, but still), or to meet some long lost friends…

This is so ignorant and typically they just want to hear their own voice. Especially when it comes to babies - I was with them all the time, I knew when they had slept and eaten and whether they woke up in a bad mood, yet some random person thinks they can solve the problem by declaring “he’s hot!” or “I can see he’s…

It’s like, are there hordes of teenagers who compulsively keep saying “yes” to everything? And don’t know that the word “no” exists? Then this approach might make sense.

I hadn’t thought about it that way. Man, that sucks. Our culture is also misogynic but in practice that hatred has less severe consequences because of the high-level social security network.