This isnt a competition though. This is copying a business model and ditching all the licensing and regulations. The only reason Uber is cheaper is because they are skirting around regulations. Lets say your a doctor with a nice office and a guy rolls up in a van, parks outside with a sign saying $10 medical…

They can’t compete because Uber isn’t subject to the same regulations as they are. Whether or not the regulations are necessary is up for debate, but it certainly isn’t some random cab driver’s fault they can’t compete.

The point is there is a reason why they cheated and lied and believed they were entitled to harm their customers and the environment because it was financially beneficial for them. And that reason is the long corporate culture of doing what is expedient without reference to morality. That corporate culture commenced…

Native German, living in the US for the past 23 years or so. Yes, there are cultural differences. But reading the German press on all this - there’s no doubt in my mind that there are millions of Germans who are very clear that this thing very much has an overriding ethical/moral dimension. And that VW’s reaction is a…

Oh sod off. Don’t you dare blame a translation error for the simple fact that VW lied.

Total bullshit.

Yes, allow. How did we allow our sailors to get themselves into that position.

right they just threaten to blow Israel off the map....makes sense.

Hey Ali, glad to see you’ve joined the discussion.

I’m not the least bit surprised that our Sailors and hardware are coming home. Anything else sets one hell of a dangerous precendent for Iran.

It’s okay to admit that you don’t know anything about cars.

It doesn’t matter if it takes 10 seconds to refuel with hydrogen. The point he’s making is it’s a gimmick because hydrogen isn’t viable due to the cost and effort required to get it into your car.

And this is where the big deception comes in. When they say 375 miles they are talking about NDEC range(being European), not EPA range. Tesla 85D is 330 miles NDEC. 90D is 350 miled NDEC. And this is today for sale, not a concept.

13k?! That is an amazing deal. Kudos.

I really think it was just a bit ahead of it’s time. I don’t think John Q Public was ready for what was basically an electric car, and it wasn’t marketed the way that the Prius was. The Prius was shown to the world as the solution to human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, and mass hysteria. Then, probably…

If we were starting over with no current infrastructure - it may make sense. However, we have an infrastructure to generate and support shipment of electricity. The hydrogen infrastructure is non-existent and presents a huge financial hurdle. There is also the downside of hydrogen compressed gas safety compared to…

How often do you need to refuel if you leave your home with a full tank of energy every morning?

At double the price, yes, a Tesla S is a better car. Amazing how that works.

I still don’t get the hype for hydrogen (the hype-rogen? Still working on that.) I mean, yes it has the shorter filling times we’re accustomed to, but it’s only an intermediate step for electricity. It takes electricity to crack hydrogen from water, compress it, and store it. The fuel cell then converts that back into…

Hydrogen is a joke, unless you can figure out a way to defy physics/chemistry, and crack Hydrogen from a supply source that doesn’t require more energy input than is yielded in output.