Thank you for your response. I guess what im trying to say is how do you get around the fact that even the good ones might be bad. Seriously if there’s anything we’ve learnt on Jezebel these last few years, especially this week is that even the charismatic, sweet ones can be something else completely.

Yeah the whole “patriachy hurts men too/cant express their emotions/men have issues too”. Its like honey please. For every negative that the patriachy fosters onto men, they get a thousand positives. They know this. That’s why they aren’t that outspoken or active in picking patriachy apart and bringing it down.

They’re still at it in today’s posts. *side eye emoji

I have to disagree with you. Men who make rape jokes enable a culture is more present.

Can we put an actual name to this phenomenon, because whenever I’ve just found myself in a place with women only, I’ve just relaxed that much more. You know I come from a traditional asian culture, and i used to think that one of the practices around marriage was regressive. Meaning that in the days leading up to the…

Oh my gosh don’t give them ideas. I also feel this way about the whole marriage thing. I feel like our focus instead of gay marriage and everyone getting to be married should actually be why does marriage itself come with more benefits that civil unions or de factos don’t. Lets get to the root of the problem.

Im with you, i started having these #yesallmen revelations in my early 20s. Living a lie to fit in never flew with me, so I couldnt look the other way when the statistics, womens anecdotes, history were all pointing to the same thing. That there isn’t some small malign number of men, its almost all of them.

Yeah same, I thought for a long time it was me, that i was making people uncomfortable but i realised when im surrounded by people the same colour and/or culture as me, just how comfortable things are. And I’ve realised its them, they make things uncomfortable.

Hey I totally get where you’re coming from but it the fact that im a naturally super enthusiastic person. Im really trusting and think everyones great. But time after time with men I start getting that weird feeling. Its that lack of transparency/other issues, and also how they think of women. I think it is a rare…

I hope the Jezbros take note of the comments here and learn how to take a back seat. I have not been happy with seeing their comments on every single post a few seconds after its posted. They have gotten to dominate every article on Jezebel. Glad to see other commentors sharing similar feelings here.

I can’t wait, I can’t wait till the day that this truth is acknowledged by all women. Ofcourse men will try and find some other ingenious way of manipulating us, but at least we’ll be more ready.

Same. And given the power/money/voice/whatever minority men of any sort will use it to treat women and others like shit as well. e.g. all the black men who get famous and rich and abuse women, gay men getting together and having even more regressive views on women than straight men etc. etc.

Yup they’re all sweet and nice when they’re not threatened, but as soon as they feel the tiniest hint of thigns not going their way they can show their real coloures pretty fast. Also most men are nice as long as you’re fitting their idea of what a woman should be. As soon as you step outside that they turn on you…

Yes please, jezebel, we need a good analytical article on bro-patriachy like right now.

Love this comment and the sooner this mentality seeps into mainstream feminists the better off we’ll all be.

I’m with you, i dont feel comfortable around men any longer either, there’s such a icky uncomfortable feeling with most of them. Sometimes it starts after a while of knwoing them but the ickiness always comes. Its just this unsettling feeling that this person isnt as transparent or as nice as you think they are, and…

They annoy me so much, it feels great to admit it. Its like even our feminist places are overrun with men. They can’t leave any place alone, they haven’t to force their way into everywhere.

Hmm I dont know about #notallmen anymore. Im including all men who turn a blind eye to this, think harrassment and abuse don’t exist, dismiss womens stories, dont want to talk about these things, think they’re not a big deal...well im going to include them all in as part of the problem. And in that case it pretty much…

If you knew one of your clients was horrible to women would you still have sex with him? because the way im seeing things at least 99% of men seem to be horrible to women.

I’m so over it too, and im so over women dismissing it as well. Its all men, in every corner of the world. Its white men, black men, asian men, indian men, whatever, its all of them. Given the chance and the power they all turn into monsters.