Your graciousness is appreciated.

Dang, I did go to bed too late....totally forgot about Subarus.

What I learned:

Sounds like a Regular Car Reviews commentary, what you just said there.

The platform isn't all it will have in common with the Cherokee. Allpar expects the 200 to have a 2.4-liter inline four with around 200 horsepower, as well as a 3.2- or 3.6-liter V6 and the nine-speed ZF automatic transmission. If sold in Europe as a Lancia, as Chryslers are these days, it could get a 170 horsepower…

Boy, that project really tanked, didn't it?

Well, yeah, that goes without saying for the both of us, I guess.

My mother-in-law then? She does have a Cooper S...

What kind of person has to choose between a Corvette and an Evoque?

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No, I think this one counts as just religious.

We're here in mid-Michigan, so probably getting similar stuff that you are. My Camry has TC and ESC permanently on, so I have to try pretty dang hard to get the back to step out when you want to. The wife's Versa on the other hand...no electronic aids what.so.ever. lol

This whole thread is making me think about taking my wife out in her Versa and a snowy parking lot sometime soon to have her practice car control in less-than-ideal conditions.

I was discussing this with my wife this evening and I think that if there is no grip on the road surface, there's not really much you can do except attempt to steer away from stuff that will hurt. Especially going downhill. The car basically becomes a hockey puck lol.

So essentially the momentum of the rear isn't being reduced as quickly as the front momentum, so the rear end "chases" the front around, resulting in a spin?

No kidding....so many Cobalts....lost to the menace of a brake-induced spin lol

Yeah, okay, that all makes sense. I can understand people's nervousness and thinking that the brakes are like the panic button and you just push them when you're in trouble, but controlled wheelspin seems like it would give you better control over which direction the car goes, provided there is some grip available.

The insurance company will tell you that when driving conditions weren't ideal, that's the time you should stop flooring it.

I meant out of the crankcase.

Holy crap, right?