Now that I think about it, I wonder how the Ultra Orthodox feel that women not only drive in Israel but drive Merkava battle tanks. Like, if Israel is invaded again, an armored unit rolls in at the last moment to repel invaders from an Ultra Orthodox community, do they then call the tank commander a 'immodest whore'…

Aren’t these the same communities where the men won’t work, because they need to be studying the Torah all day, so any income coming in is either from the wife working or government assistance (which I’m sure is the wife’s job to handle any appointments and paperwork)? I guess the dudes need some way to assert their…

Yes, they are both intentionally restrictive beliefs based around the manufactured need for “modesty” for women, that is what I meant.

I didn’t actually mean that the two belief systems are the same (rereading it I see that I was a bit unclear). What I mean is that denying women the right to driving in Saudi Arabia, due to “reasons” of “modesty” is exactly the same as denying Jewish women the right to driving due to “reasons” of “modesty.”

Right, this particular ban is due to the menfolk being retrograde assholes who mistake their personal insecurities for biblical authority. But in general I can guarantee that they live in a neighborhood where you can walk to most important places. Most likely that includes school.

the haredi are a little less behead-y, but give them time.

And fundamentalist Christians.

Belief-wise, yes, they are the same damn poison. They do differ in which body is enforcing it though, tbf.

As a liberal Jew, I really do feel like these ultra-Orthodox sects are very similar to the fundamentalist Muslims. (I feel there’s so much similarity between Jews and Muslims that I really hate that there’s so much fighting.)

I just re-read the piece from last year about the Nepali women sent to menstruate in sheds where they are raped or bitten by snakes, because if they touch another person they’ll get like, the shakes and wither and rot inside because, religion. It’s not just the Abrahamic religions.

Fundamentalists of any religion are more like each other than they are like sane people in their own religions. And they’re all assholes.

Religious extremism is where they all meet, along with the Duggar folks and other idiots.

So how exactly are these people different from Fundementalist Muslims again?

There is not one Abrahamic religion that treats women with even a modicum of decency. How women stay religious is beyond me.

Fuck fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter what flavor.

“In this sense it is no different from the driving ban on women in Saudi Arabia. That it masquerades as a halachic imperative is shameful and disturbing.”

“We happen to believe that driving is a high-pressured activity where our values maybe compromised by exposure to selfishness, road-rage, bad language and other inappropriate behaviour.”

exposure to selfishness

Oh, FFS. Chasidic members of the tribe, could you PLEASE stop embarrassing the rest of us? I’m pretty sure that if Judah could patronize a prostitute and then marry her, her also being his daughter-in-law, everyone will survive moms driving their kids to school. Knock it off.

When are women going to ban men from telling women what the fuck they can and cannot do. That's what I want to know.