Hi there bootlicker.

Does not fucking matter. It was configured with those features and they didn’t own the car when it was ‘flagged’. This is bullshit. 

But remember, Tesla sold the car on 11/15. When they did the audit, they were no longer the owners of the car.

Man guys there is some high level braintrust type action going on in this thread.

A game of charades? 

“So, should some magical entity force valuations on those companies? No.”

The H2 was 6400 lbs and had a real world mileage of around 10 mpg, based on several car mags’ testing. That’s pretty anti-Earth, but the Suburban it was based on was not significantly better (12-14 mpg). I’m not sure if it had the absolute worst mileage of a mass-produced consumer vehicle, but I’m fairly certain it…

Two cars in different segments with different purposes that will cost different amounts will sell in different numbers? Do tell.

Its because its taking a name synonymous with excess in every way including terrible mileage and turning it into an electric brand. Its the symbolism of it all and not the sales figures. Its a complete 180 for a brand.

GM is bringing back the wrong brand. All GM-made EVs should be Saturn. I personally never had a problem with Hummer, but if they honestly think people have forgotten the Hummer Stigma from 15 years ago, they’re on Mars. It’s the same stupidity that gave us the Yukon Hybrid. Great technology, worked well, nobody bought…

I mean, you could search and find out pretty good studies that take this into account for a total life cycle analysis. In the end, it ends up being a case of if you value total green house emissions vs land fill & recyclability vs total energy consumption. Electric cars come out ahead for emissions (even if your power…

Just two days ago I remarked that I didn’t know if I could buy a Cybertruck, or a Rivian.

...when your 60 year old boss tries to argue that you don’t need a raise because your salary is what he was making at your age...in 1989...

Except you’re both missing the part immediately following it:

Miata’s have always been to small. My teenage kids are to big for it. We need a relaxed fit Miata

Yeah, when I first saw the new Ford Ranger on the road, I was like WTF that is huge and seems just as big as the prior gen F150.

Rivian or CyberTruck?  Neither.  I’m just hoping EV’s mean the return of the small pick-up.

Trump is a goat fucking imbecile who doesn’t give a rats ass for anyone not named “Trump”.  And anyone who hasn’t figured that out is showing as much brain function as the Republican Senators at a Trump impeachment trial (caught sleeping, doing puzzles, and playing on the banned electronics they brought in).

Until you stop and think about it. Residents of CA, and the states that follow them make up most of the new car buying public. Combined with any company doing international sales is already building vehicles to tougher than EPA standards.