Worked for what? Determining who is a “man” and who is a “woman”? That is not how we have determined who is a man and who is a woman, that’s not even how DOCTORS decide what to put on a birth certificate. We didn’t even know what the fuck a chromosome was for the bulk of those millennia, you fucking moron. 

I don’t think Raising Hope stands as any sort of evidence “that the justice system only works for the privileged,” and that is not a concept I’m arguing against anyway.

Are you seriously out here acting like giving false medical information to thousands of people is some kind of fucking victimless crime?

I’m not only talking about Holmes, and your argument, as far as I can tell, applies broadly to anyone in prison with children, who either (1) made the choice to commit crimes, for which they were eventually duly convicted, and which they knew could lead to their separation from their children due to their…

In your well-thought out plan, how old do children have to be to protect a woman from incarceration?

It’s a little frustrating, but I can recognize some of the reactions as similar to my own when I first encountered similar ideas, so I’m hoping a few people will rethink the default assumptions they’ve built up over years living in a society whose sole answer to the problem of interpersonal harm is caging.

People keep saying this, but her first kid was conceived before conviction, the second before sentencing, so she didn’t “know” she was going to jail in either event.

Maybe you’re more familiar, but I don’t recall much in her trial that touched on her abilities to be a decent parent or net positive in her children’s life (my assumption tends to be the more support a child has the better, especially from a parent, yours may be different). I agree that lots of people grow up in…

I guess as long as separating children from their parents is cruel and harmful, including to innocent people, and a net negative to society. What do you imagine the benefits of prison are that justify those harms? Can you clarify?

No, children do not deserve to suffer harm. That’s the point. I want to stop a way in which we as a society routinely decide to inflict harm children that, as far as I can tell, serves no useful purpose. There’s an obvious answer to the idea that preventing this cruelty will lead to the further cruelty of those damn…

Well, obviously the reason incarcerated mothers are separated from their children, which is what will happen to Holmes, is because we don’t incarcerate people who haven’t been convicted of a crime in prison, and because we don’t incarcerate children in adult prisons in any event. There is no finding that an…

I take the ideas of prison abolition seriously (https://theintercept.com/2021/03/17/intercepted-mariame-kaba-abolitionist-organizing/), so I’m not really going to give you an answer that is like “Well, I think people who commit [X], [Y], and [Z] crimes should be in prison” because I don’t look at prison as a very…

Elizabeth Holmes is only in jail for securities fraud because that’s all they could get her for.

Raising Hope? Is that based on a true story I’m not aware of, or is the basis of your ideas on the cruelties of the criminal justice system the premise of some decades-old Fox sitcom?  Also, no spoiler alert?  I haven’t watched it yet. 

Okay, as I’ve said elsewhere, I’m not into policing people’s reproductive choices, nor do I have any confidence in any of our ability to confidently declare that Holmes’s children will be better off without her, a declaration that frankly strikes me as fucked up on a bunch of levels. People have children for all sorts…

I care deeply about remedying and preventing the harms caused by the  carceral system. Which is why I want to understand what benefits people think we gain from caging people, because those benefits ought to outweigh the harms we know it causes, right?

I don’t want to make an exception for Elizabeth Holmes, a fraudster who seems like an unpleasant person to me. I want to point out the thing she’s asking not to have to suffer is a harm she shouldn’t have to suffer because no one should have to suffer it. Hearing about the plight of poor old Elizabeth Holmes and her…

Massive difference between someone who happens to be pregnant when they’re arrested and someone who BECOMES pregnant knowing that they’re going to jail.

I’ve watched two documentaries.

shitty