Really? I thought they turned out okay but boring.

I've met you IRL, can confirm as adorable

Also:

Can I be team "Kelly's haircut looks stupid on her but you're still a classist, boring ass"?

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I had noticed that! It's actually very strange.

Me: *wandering around eating an order of mozerella sticks during O week in college* "GOD. I ate all these and now I don't feel like walking anywhere!"

It just set off my "eeh" alarm. You'd be shocked at how many people on here apparently feel very passionately that it's not strange at all. But to think forcing a child to pray is so important that you include it in your wedding vows, with that language? That's gross

It's dealing with a religion I did follow, and got a lot of good out of. It's not that I don't understand religion. It's that dental hygiene is something the child actually needs to learn to do, and that a religious ritual is not, and instead is supposed to speak to private beliefs.

So you think she's probably having to pray to the earth? Or that prayer isn't really religious?

What are you talking about?!?

It does if you believe that a child must be forced to do a highly private spirtual activity so that society will not collapse.

Noooo, don't you get it, he didn't really mean that, he just SAID that. And if you don't like it, you're definitely just projecting!

So, you sound like a great parent with no control issues whatsoever.

Sigh. Yes, of course, my knowing what "make you say your prayers" means and finding its connotation to be disturbing is obviously just me projecting.

Any adult knows what "vow to make you" means. He's probably not that dumb. I, for the thousandth time, do not object to raising your kids in a faith. I object to pushing it on them, the way he literally publicly pledged to do. Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. Simple as that.

Well, I'm glad that you've determined that it wasn't a big deal. I, and a lot of other people I know, were similarly forced to say our prayers, and had religion we did not want pushed down our throats in many ways. It's lead to a lot of bullshit in all of our lives. I don't object to raising kids in faith. I object to…

So it's cool to "vow to make her" engage in a religious exercise throughout the time in which he's raising her? I wouldn't mind "vow to guide you spiritually" or something like that. But "I vow to make you"? Nope. I've known way too many parents like that to eat this shit up.

He lost me at "I vow to make you say your prayers". NOPE. Shoving religion down a child's throat is never cute.

I don't fault him, but I don't fault Kourtney for being over being the supportive wife bot. I do think she should leave-but I also think she loves him and wants their kids to have parents who are together. I guess I've just seen that sort of thing too many times to be laying blame on someone who's trying to co parent…