My prediction that in 10 years, anyone that really knows cars will be looking for 2023 Bolts, because they will be what the 2017s should of/would of/could of been, but will have the pricing associated with the 2017-2021s.

This assumes that we’re subsidizing ALL workers (even all the ones building gas vehicles) with the EV credits on a small percentage of their total production.

Also, 126 miles is for the one with the shortest length and height. Get the tall version and the extra frontal area probably means a pretty sizable hit on the highway.

Right. I’m saying OBVIOUSLY it’s not about good paying jobs for the middle-class. It’s about just giving money to Ford/GM/Unions. I mean, I have an early Lightning reservation and Ford stock, so I’ll benefit from it, BUT the $4500 number and tying it to unions only are garbage.

Bingo. If it was about good paying jobs, then tie it to pay, not just Unions. And make it a reasonable number. Ford isn’t paying their workers $4500 more PER CAR than Toyota.

a union local is a bit easier than the federal government. I have seen changes in my local from one officer election to the next.

I actually kinda hope Biden is just purposely trolling Tesla superfans at this point.

The Clubman is almost the exact same dimensions as a VW Golf.

They’re probably right that the people picking obscure options would still buy the car anyway.

The next gen electric MINI is expected to be based on the Great Wall Motors Ora Cat, which is available with a 63kWh battery, about the size of the Bolt’s battery, which gets ~260 miles of EPA range.

Again, that was the model that was supposed to be available for $35,000 but never really actually was.

$30K Does seem low (unless they are doing a super stripper low range model, but even then...), but I think MSRP will be under $40K (maybe as low as $35K).

Also, it says “3 customers on 3 continents”. The linked document doesn’t clarify, so that could easily be: Tesla Austin, Tesla Berlin, and Tesla Shanghai.

Totally agree that a refundable credit is better so everyone can benefit directly and there’s no question about whether you’ll get the full amount, etc. AND I agree that a point of sale discount is even better than that.

Yeah, the $35k version was the headline grabber from the beginning, especially because people thought they would be able to buy one and get the $7500 tax credit, but Tesla had plenty of demand for the more expensive ones, so they held off on the $35k version... and probably they couldn’t make money on it anyway. But…

Yeah, I think it’s safe. Even if the Cybertruck was available earlier than the late 2022 date they’re currently saying somehow, they’re going to have plenty of demand for the dual motor and tri-motor versions that the single-motor version will be way later on.

You’re right that it wasn’t very popular. For like ~$3k more, you got the Model 3 SR+ with 20 more miles of range and basic Autopilot, which the $35k version didn’t get.

Hell I still don’t think you can get that $35k Tesla either.

I was dumb enough to track down the actual “study”, and they have the ANNUAL charging costs of the Lightning as $78. Not a typo. $78.

Even Tesla said that the Single Motor version (the one that was originally listed for $39k) would come out substantially later than the Dual Motor and Tri-motor versions.