I’m commenting to bump this up. This is the most informative thread on here - thanks!

I just want to thank you for your contribution to this discussion. This was an especially enlightening post, and something I’ve wondered about.

It’s always about the how not the what.

I’m starting with working on my road rage (I’m not harmful, but anything besides me riding my bike on the road makes me crazy! I have to tell myself that everyone on the road is really not just there to get me.) It is hard! But it’s getting easier.

I am trying to make that transition myself...

Damn, you’re good.

She also had a different face/body. I think she’s a lot more “confident” in her revised look. (that was catty, but this post is bringing back memories of those days, and I’m getting irritated - I should probably step away now!)

Well to be honest, I did too. I can’t judge her on that - and that’s really the thing here, I’ve done some pretty out there stuff, but I didn’t splatter my shit all over everyone who was around me. It’s her personality I have a problem with, not so much her actions.

I tried to edit and include your relationship with your son in that post, but too late...

Good point. I certainly do not live in a glass house myself! (and my sons have witnessed some of my bad behavior)
But there is also the fact that we still have a close relationships with our sons, unlike CL and Francis. I wouldn’t be surprised if she has NPD. She’s entertaining as hell from a distance, but not…

Best CL summary I’ve ever seen.

I like her in theory, however having seen her around Portland during her stripper days and seeing her act up in public pretty much ruined any love or respect I could have ever mustered.

Tell me about it. I live in Portland OR.

I’m also the mother of two sons, and one of them had a teacher that continually pushed the boundaries with him. I kept a close eye on that relationship. After he graduated she asked him out for coffee, and I’m happy to report he did not go.

I literally just read that before I read this. Great read.

I just read that article before I read this! Very good read.

They’re all super christian jesus freaks.

I have no idea how stale his schtick is because I can’t stand to watch him.

Yeah, as I get older I’m always questioning if my distraction/memory lapses are due to aging or pot-smoking. (I’m going with aging!)

Ahh, hell no! You’re not blaming pot for this vile shithead. I’ve been smoking pot over half my life and I am not a smug, arrogant, asshole, who thinks I’m clever and smarter than everyone else. It’s a character flaw, not a symptom.